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		<title>By: mcgarianala</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-154861</link>
		<dc:creator>mcgarianala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a sample computation on costing sa operation ng Internet cafe, for reference.

I am not an accountant so some items migth be debatable i.e. how to compute the ROI and Depreciation. However most of the figures are based on my experience.

Monthly Power Consumption: 
Based on Meralco Calculator
Assumption: Café with 10 PC, 1 Printer,  2 HP ACU, 2 Fans, 3 CFL	
			
Equipment	Qty	         Cost 	
Computers	10	 Php     7,746.00 	
Printer	        1	           602.46 	
ACU 2 Hp	1	         5,400.36 	
Orbit fan	2                  550.82 	
10W CFL	        3	           103.29 	
	Total 	         Php    14,402.93 	
			
Monthly Operating Expenses			
Electricity		 Php   14,402.93 	
Space rental (30 sq.m)	        7,000.00 	
DSL Service + Phone (PLDT)      5,600.00 	
Water		                  300.00 	
Operator's Salary	        6,000.00 	
Personnal Salary	        6,000.00 	
Taxes, Permits, etc.		1,000.00 	
Depreciation		        5,000.00 	
Return of Investement		5,000.00 	
		Total	 Php   50,302.93 	
Notes:			
1. 10 PC @ Php 18,000/Unit - Straigth Depreciation amortized 36 months (3 years) 
180,000/36 months = 5,000.00 month depreciation	
			
2. Return od Investment - Amortized 36 months	
5,000 * 36 months = 180,000 in 3 years	
			
Hourly Operating Expenses			
No. of Units	                 10	 Units 	
Operating Hours/Day	         12	 Hrs 	
Gross Operational Hours/Day	120	 Hrs 	
Gross Operational Hours/Month (28 Days)	3360	 Hrs 	
			
50 % Occupancy is equivalent to 1680 Hrs 	
75 % Occupancy is equivalent to 2520 Hrs 	
100 % Occupancy is equivalent to 3360 Hrs 	
			
To get the hour operating expenses, divide the month expenses by the occupancy hours
			
50% Occupancy i.e. 6 hours full pack=Php 29.94/hr. 
75% Occupancy i.e. 9 hours full pack=Php 19.96/hr.
100% Occupancy i.e. 12 hours full pack=Php 14.97/hr. 
			
These rates do not include any profit margin yet!!!	
By charging PhP 20.00/Hr			
At 50% occupancy you loose approx Php 9.94/hour or PhP 16702.93/month
At 70% occupancy you only earn approx Php 0.04/hour or PhP 97.07/month
At 100% occupancy you earn approx Php 5.03/hour or PhP 16897.07/month
Is you shop filled 100% of the time????		
			
			
Gross Sales - 
Computer Rental             20/Hr 	 25/Hr 
Daily Gross Sales Rental only	
50% Occupancy	            1,200.00     1,500.00 
60% Occupancy	            1,440.00     1,800.00 
70% Occupancy	            1,680.00     2,100.00 
80% Occupancy	            1,920.00 	 2,400.00 
			
Monthly Gross Sales - Rental only	
50% Occupancy	            36,000.00 	 45,000.00 
60% Occupancy	            43,200.00 	 54,000.00 
70% Occupancy	            50,400.00 	 63,000.00 
80% Occupancy	            57,600.00 	 72,000.00 
			
Difference in Gross Sales	
        50% Occupancy	            9,000.00 	
	60% Occupancy	          10,800.00 	
	70% Occupancy	          12,600.00 	
	80% Occupancy	          14,400.00 	
			
Inkjet Printing cost 5% coverage			
Ink - Refill	                   0.25 	
Ink - Original	                   1.00 	
Paper - letter size, Subs 24	   0.30 
Electricity	                   0.20 	
Printer Maintenance/Depreciation   0.10 	
Average cost per print	           1.23 		
			
Gross Sales - Printing  3.00/Page 	 5.00/Page 
Daily Net Sales
Printing only	        50 prints/day	                88.75 	          188.75 

	                100 prints/day	                177.50 	          377.50 
	                
                        200 prints/day	                355.00 	          755.00 
			
Monthly Net Sales - Printing only	
50 prints/day	        2,662.50 	5,662.50 
100 prints/day	        5,325.00       11,325.00 
200 prints/day	       10,650.00       22,650.00 
			
Difference in Net Sales	
        50 prints/day	            3,000.00 	
	100 prints/day	            6,000.00 	
	200 prints/day	           12,000.00 	
			
			
Bottom Line: We stand to lose a minimum of PhP 12,000.00 Per Month by pricing our services (rental and printing)down. 

Usually people forget to differentiate between their profit and salary. Also, there is usually no provision for Depreciation or ROI. On electric bill the only way to reduce cost is to use LCD's, there is approx a difference of 60w-30W between an LCD and a CRT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a sample computation on costing sa operation ng Internet cafe, for reference.</p>
<p>I am not an accountant so some items migth be debatable i.e. how to compute the ROI and Depreciation. However most of the figures are based on my experience.</p>
<p>Monthly Power Consumption:<br />
Based on Meralco Calculator<br />
Assumption: Café with 10 PC, 1 Printer,  2 HP ACU, 2 Fans, 3 CFL	</p>
<p>Equipment	Qty	         Cost<br />
Computers	10	 Php     7,746.00<br />
Printer	        1	           602.46<br />
ACU 2 Hp	1	         5,400.36<br />
Orbit fan	2                  550.82<br />
10W CFL	        3	           103.29<br />
	Total 	         Php    14,402.93 	</p>
<p>Monthly Operating Expenses<br />
Electricity		 Php   14,402.93<br />
Space rental (30 sq.m)	        7,000.00<br />
DSL Service + Phone (PLDT)      5,600.00<br />
Water		                  300.00<br />
Operator&#8217;s Salary	        6,000.00<br />
Personnal Salary	        6,000.00<br />
Taxes, Permits, etc.		1,000.00<br />
Depreciation		        5,000.00<br />
Return of Investement		5,000.00<br />
		Total	 Php   50,302.93<br />
Notes:<br />
1. 10 PC @ Php 18,000/Unit - Straigth Depreciation amortized 36 months (3 years)<br />
180,000/36 months = 5,000.00 month depreciation	</p>
<p>2. Return od Investment - Amortized 36 months<br />
5,000 * 36 months = 180,000 in 3 years	</p>
<p>Hourly Operating Expenses<br />
No. of Units	                 10	 Units<br />
Operating Hours/Day	         12	 Hrs<br />
Gross Operational Hours/Day	120	 Hrs<br />
Gross Operational Hours/Month (28 Days)	3360	 Hrs 	</p>
<p>50 % Occupancy is equivalent to 1680 Hrs<br />
75 % Occupancy is equivalent to 2520 Hrs<br />
100 % Occupancy is equivalent to 3360 Hrs 	</p>
<p>To get the hour operating expenses, divide the month expenses by the occupancy hours</p>
<p>50% Occupancy i.e. 6 hours full pack=Php 29.94/hr.<br />
75% Occupancy i.e. 9 hours full pack=Php 19.96/hr.<br />
100% Occupancy i.e. 12 hours full pack=Php 14.97/hr. </p>
<p>These rates do not include any profit margin yet!!!<br />
By charging PhP 20.00/Hr<br />
At 50% occupancy you loose approx Php 9.94/hour or PhP 16702.93/month<br />
At 70% occupancy you only earn approx Php 0.04/hour or PhP 97.07/month<br />
At 100% occupancy you earn approx Php 5.03/hour or PhP 16897.07/month<br />
Is you shop filled 100% of the time????		</p>
<p>Gross Sales -<br />
Computer Rental             20/Hr 	 25/Hr<br />
Daily Gross Sales Rental only<br />
50% Occupancy	            1,200.00     1,500.00<br />
60% Occupancy	            1,440.00     1,800.00<br />
70% Occupancy	            1,680.00     2,100.00<br />
80% Occupancy	            1,920.00 	 2,400.00 </p>
<p>Monthly Gross Sales - Rental only<br />
50% Occupancy	            36,000.00 	 45,000.00<br />
60% Occupancy	            43,200.00 	 54,000.00<br />
70% Occupancy	            50,400.00 	 63,000.00<br />
80% Occupancy	            57,600.00 	 72,000.00 </p>
<p>Difference in Gross Sales<br />
        50% Occupancy	            9,000.00<br />
	60% Occupancy	          10,800.00<br />
	70% Occupancy	          12,600.00<br />
	80% Occupancy	          14,400.00 	</p>
<p>Inkjet Printing cost 5% coverage<br />
Ink - Refill	                   0.25<br />
Ink - Original	                   1.00<br />
Paper - letter size, Subs 24	   0.30<br />
Electricity	                   0.20<br />
Printer Maintenance/Depreciation   0.10<br />
Average cost per print	           1.23 		</p>
<p>Gross Sales - Printing  3.00/Page 	 5.00/Page<br />
Daily Net Sales<br />
Printing only	        50 prints/day	                88.75 	          188.75 </p>
<p>	                100 prints/day	                177.50 	          377.50 </p>
<p>                        200 prints/day	                355.00 	          755.00 </p>
<p>Monthly Net Sales - Printing only<br />
50 prints/day	        2,662.50 	5,662.50<br />
100 prints/day	        5,325.00       11,325.00<br />
200 prints/day	       10,650.00       22,650.00 </p>
<p>Difference in Net Sales<br />
        50 prints/day	            3,000.00<br />
	100 prints/day	            6,000.00<br />
	200 prints/day	           12,000.00 	</p>
<p>Bottom Line: We stand to lose a minimum of PhP 12,000.00 Per Month by pricing our services (rental and printing)down. </p>
<p>Usually people forget to differentiate between their profit and salary. Also, there is usually no provision for Depreciation or ROI. On electric bill the only way to reduce cost is to use LCD&#8217;s, there is approx a difference of 60w-30W between an LCD and a CRT.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech3</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-152512</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition

Capital

More likely if your budget per computer is P20k for gaming units.
If you bought it now, you can have a DualCore 1.6 Processor, 512mb RAM, Asusboard w/ 1gig lan, 256 pci video card, 80gig HD(sata), Casing w/ mouse n keyboard and a 17" LCD.

You will be able to have a discount, cause for crying out loud, your buying 100 computer units.

P20k x 100units = P2M
P16k on internet pc x 20 = P320k


P2,320,000 on the units alone.

Buy the OS license, half of the number of units, (if your here in cebu) cause they have some sort of licensing program. "Its the so called requirement". That would be 120 units x P4,500 = P540,000
More likely, youre budget for all, a wooping 3.5Million.

But if you have a clean P250k a month. Thats only a 1 year and 4 months for you to be able to get your Capital back, and after that... use your imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition</p>
<p>Capital</p>
<p>More likely if your budget per computer is P20k for gaming units.<br />
If you bought it now, you can have a DualCore 1.6 Processor, 512mb RAM, Asusboard w/ 1gig lan, 256 pci video card, 80gig HD(sata), Casing w/ mouse n keyboard and a 17&#8243; LCD.</p>
<p>You will be able to have a discount, cause for crying out loud, your buying 100 computer units.</p>
<p>P20k x 100units = P2M<br />
P16k on internet pc x 20 = P320k</p>
<p>P2,320,000 on the units alone.</p>
<p>Buy the OS license, half of the number of units, (if your here in cebu) cause they have some sort of licensing program. &#8220;Its the so called requirement&#8221;. That would be 120 units x P4,500 = P540,000<br />
More likely, youre budget for all, a wooping 3.5Million.</p>
<p>But if you have a clean P250k a month. Thats only a 1 year and 4 months for you to be able to get your Capital back, and after that&#8230; use your imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech3</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-152500</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet Cafe has 100 units for gaming and 20 units for Internet

Rate P8 7AM to 12MN Gaming
Rate x Units 
P8 x 100 = P800 per hour
P800 x 15 hours = P12,000

Why 15 hours only? take it 2 hours that the computer was vacant

Rate P4 12MN to 7 AM Gaming
Rate x Units
P4 x 100 = P400 per hour
P400 x 6 = P2,400

Rate P15 Internet Users 
Rate x Units
P15 x 20 = P300
P300 x 15 Hours = P4,500 a day

Only 15 hours for the Internet Users

P12,000 + P2,400 + P4,500 = P18,900

P18,900 a day, thats a 24 hours, that doesnt include the printing, refreshments and other stuffs. 

These people uses Energy Saver for there electricity. 

More likely a P20-P25k a day.
P20k x 30 days = P600k a month
Range from P600k to P750k a month
Even if they will have a P500k expenses for a month. P250k is still good money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet Cafe has 100 units for gaming and 20 units for Internet</p>
<p>Rate P8 7AM to 12MN Gaming<br />
Rate x Units<br />
P8 x 100 = P800 per hour<br />
P800 x 15 hours = P12,000</p>
<p>Why 15 hours only? take it 2 hours that the computer was vacant</p>
<p>Rate P4 12MN to 7 AM Gaming<br />
Rate x Units<br />
P4 x 100 = P400 per hour<br />
P400 x 6 = P2,400</p>
<p>Rate P15 Internet Users<br />
Rate x Units<br />
P15 x 20 = P300<br />
P300 x 15 Hours = P4,500 a day</p>
<p>Only 15 hours for the Internet Users</p>
<p>P12,000 + P2,400 + P4,500 = P18,900</p>
<p>P18,900 a day, thats a 24 hours, that doesnt include the printing, refreshments and other stuffs. </p>
<p>These people uses Energy Saver for there electricity. </p>
<p>More likely a P20-P25k a day.<br />
P20k x 30 days = P600k a month<br />
Range from P600k to P750k a month<br />
Even if they will have a P500k expenses for a month. P250k is still good money.</p>
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		<title>By: yuga</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ sharie, nope it's not. Hindi po bawal yun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ sharie, nope it&#8217;s not. Hindi po bawal yun.</p>
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		<title>By: sharie</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-149574</link>
		<dc:creator>sharie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 03:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just wanna ask if there is a law na bawal magtayo ng internet cafe business sa tabi mismo ng isa pang internet cafe, as in magkatabi talaga?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just wanna ask if there is a law na bawal magtayo ng internet cafe business sa tabi mismo ng isa pang internet cafe, as in magkatabi talaga?</p>
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		<title>By: otoy</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-148865</link>
		<dc:creator>otoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back then when internet rates were not yet regulated here in davao, rates would go as low as i think 10 pesos per hour, but it would also go lower siguro from 11PM until the wee hours of the morning.. internet cafe owners are concerned coz most of them are pa lugi na and come to think of it their computer units are utang pa, good thing na regulate ang internet cafe rates here in davao atleast di namatay tong industry na to.

its very hard to compete here in davao city specially if you dont have a good business plan, some big names franchise and companies here gone poooooff in just a short period of time.

pero alam nyo kung ano ang cool.. try going to some coffee shop here in davao and you'll get a free wifi access PLUS! libre pa charge ng laptop nyo :)

astig ano hehehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back then when internet rates were not yet regulated here in davao, rates would go as low as i think 10 pesos per hour, but it would also go lower siguro from 11PM until the wee hours of the morning.. internet cafe owners are concerned coz most of them are pa lugi na and come to think of it their computer units are utang pa, good thing na regulate ang internet cafe rates here in davao atleast di namatay tong industry na to.</p>
<p>its very hard to compete here in davao city specially if you dont have a good business plan, some big names franchise and companies here gone poooooff in just a short period of time.</p>
<p>pero alam nyo kung ano ang cool.. try going to some coffee shop here in davao and you&#8217;ll get a free wifi access PLUS! libre pa charge ng laptop nyo <img src='http://www.yugatech.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>astig ano hehehe</p>
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		<title>By: JAson</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-143063</link>
		<dc:creator>JAson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!
Why don't you try converting your internet cafe into an E(squared) eLEarning and Job Center. One Logic Systech is offering it now that takes care of it for you. For internet cafes to earn nowadays, they have to add value added services.

Visit http://www.onelogicsystech.com for more info or call the hotline at 482-6971.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!<br />
Why don&#8217;t you try converting your internet cafe into an E(squared) eLEarning and Job Center. One Logic Systech is offering it now that takes care of it for you. For internet cafes to earn nowadays, they have to add value added services.</p>
<p>Visit <a href="http://www.onelogicsystech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.onelogicsystech.com</a> for more info or call the hotline at 482-6971.</p>
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		<title>By: Davaoeno</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/netrepreneur/at-php4hour-will-the-net-cafe-business-go-bust/comment-page-1/#comment-140585</link>
		<dc:creator>Davaoeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 11:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, come on, mga uto uto talaga kayo. Walang internet cafe sa DAVAO na umaabot sa Php 4.00 noh!!! Gawa gawa kayu dyan, meron nga city ordinance na bawal bumaba sa Php 20.00 /hr ang rate, pero meron din pasaway na umaabot Php 10, at malakas ang raiding sa mga internet cafe sa amin ngayon, (based on experience...) so if ever bumaba masyado rate, niraraid agad.

PS - meron noon 5 Php per hour, pero ni raid agad at nagsira. In my entire life, as a computer science student and gaming adik, chismis lang yan na umaabot ng 4 Php/hr dito sa amin. 15.hr standard rate dito.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, come on, mga uto uto talaga kayo. Walang internet cafe sa DAVAO na umaabot sa Php 4.00 noh!!! Gawa gawa kayu dyan, meron nga city ordinance na bawal bumaba sa Php 20.00 /hr ang rate, pero meron din pasaway na umaabot Php 10, at malakas ang raiding sa mga internet cafe sa amin ngayon, (based on experience&#8230;) so if ever bumaba masyado rate, niraraid agad.</p>
<p>PS - meron noon 5 Php per hour, pero ni raid agad at nagsira. In my entire life, as a computer science student and gaming adik, chismis lang yan na umaabot ng 4 Php/hr dito sa amin. 15.hr standard rate dito.</p>
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		<title>By: eathan27</title>
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		<dc:creator>eathan27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi peepz!  I am currently running a cafe owned by my husband and his mother.  

We currently have 15 units for the clients, and two others for us(for the monitoring and his personal use). Price started at P25/hr at our hometown, with 4 units as his starting venture. 6 months after this, it grew into 12 units. We transferred after an accident hits us (Beware of late gamers)...A hard core player himself he preffered to prioritize gaming than internet services. Sa gaming kasi you don't need to fill in more expensive facilities to suit older clients. We installed exhaust fans aside from ceiling and stand fans. At a rate of P15/hr it is really hard to run aircondition on a daily basis. Umaabot ng 9 to 14k ang electricitity cost plus 7k rental.  Presently, we charge P10/hr since our competitor is just a door away from us. We maintain a lagless, faster net connection with our dual dsl line. I say, mas malaki returns ng P10 per hour na fully loaded with players from 7:00 am to 1:00am, than P15 which would only be fully booked pag-uwian ng mga bata. Tubong instik kumbaga (aside from the fact that my husband is a pure chinese), paunti-unting tubo pero sure naman and umiikot ang pera than mahal na rate pero hindi naman punuan. 

We aim to transfer sooner into a bigger place and sell some units too. God's will, it will turn good. We had some falls too that had almost crushed us to the ground (mainly the Reming disaster), pero thank god andito pa rin kami. 

One thing i've learned the most,,,"when income seems to decline, lower the expenses, 'wag ipasulot ang mga clients and for sure there will be no LUGIAN!! ....sell the pan cakes while it is still hot or else mapapanis yan....

For the future net entreps...don't be afraid to venture, basta kabisado mo ang business mo and you are ready to sacrifice for the benefit of the clients, do not be afraid to take risk and maintain rules...plus...always set fair charges....and love ur work!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi peepz!  I am currently running a cafe owned by my husband and his mother.  </p>
<p>We currently have 15 units for the clients, and two others for us(for the monitoring and his personal use). Price started at P25/hr at our hometown, with 4 units as his starting venture. 6 months after this, it grew into 12 units. We transferred after an accident hits us (Beware of late gamers)&#8230;A hard core player himself he preffered to prioritize gaming than internet services. Sa gaming kasi you don&#8217;t need to fill in more expensive facilities to suit older clients. We installed exhaust fans aside from ceiling and stand fans. At a rate of P15/hr it is really hard to run aircondition on a daily basis. Umaabot ng 9 to 14k ang electricitity cost plus 7k rental.  Presently, we charge P10/hr since our competitor is just a door away from us. We maintain a lagless, faster net connection with our dual dsl line. I say, mas malaki returns ng P10 per hour na fully loaded with players from 7:00 am to 1:00am, than P15 which would only be fully booked pag-uwian ng mga bata. Tubong instik kumbaga (aside from the fact that my husband is a pure chinese), paunti-unting tubo pero sure naman and umiikot ang pera than mahal na rate pero hindi naman punuan. </p>
<p>We aim to transfer sooner into a bigger place and sell some units too. God&#8217;s will, it will turn good. We had some falls too that had almost crushed us to the ground (mainly the Reming disaster), pero thank god andito pa rin kami. </p>
<p>One thing i&#8217;ve learned the most,,,&#8221;when income seems to decline, lower the expenses, &#8216;wag ipasulot ang mga clients and for sure there will be no LUGIAN!! &#8230;.sell the pan cakes while it is still hot or else mapapanis yan&#8230;.</p>
<p>For the future net entreps&#8230;don&#8217;t be afraid to venture, basta kabisado mo ang business mo and you are ready to sacrifice for the benefit of the clients, do not be afraid to take risk and maintain rules&#8230;plus&#8230;always set fair charges&#8230;.and love ur work!!</p>
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		<title>By: JC John SESE Cuneta</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC John SESE Cuneta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLDT's gimmick is for those who don't have "money".  Even with that low cost of rentals, it's only a dream if you can't even start out your own ;)

It's possible.  I forgot to mention, I conducted different case studies in different locations here in Imperial Manila.  In our place (along Evangelista St. Bangkal, Makati), we can go as low as PhP13.00 / hour.  We are corner of a major road and side street.  Near INC, near AMA Makati and Don Bosco, residential and commercial area.

But it's only a dream for me as I don't have the money to pull it out.  :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLDT&#8217;s gimmick is for those who don&#8217;t have &#8220;money&#8221;.  Even with that low cost of rentals, it&#8217;s only a dream if you can&#8217;t even start out your own <img src='http://www.yugatech.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible.  I forgot to mention, I conducted different case studies in different locations here in Imperial Manila.  In our place (along Evangelista St. Bangkal, Makati), we can go as low as PhP13.00 / hour.  We are corner of a major road and side street.  Near INC, near AMA Makati and Don Bosco, residential and commercial area.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s only a dream for me as I don&#8217;t have the money to pull it out.  :p</p>
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		<title>By: kzap</title>
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		<dc:creator>kzap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so where does this set PLDT and offering their BRO and DSL as a business? heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so where does this set PLDT and offering their BRO and DSL as a business? heh</p>
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		<title>By: JC John SESE Cuneta</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC John SESE Cuneta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's something I learned from Davaoenos and from the people from the companies I've work for who went to Davao.

"The farther you go away from Imperial Manila, the cheaper life becomes."

Cebu Internet I was told by many colleagues (who are Cebuanos) goes for as low as PhP8 ~ PhP10.00 per hour.

In Davao (as I've said above), even goes below PhP4.00.  There is a very strong Internet Cafe in Davao that offer PhP1.00 of Internet usage per hour.  Imagine that.

Here in Imperial Manila, the lowest I've seen for non-members is PhP10.00 per hour.  For members, PhP7.00 per hour.

Major factors affecting the prices are:
1) ISP charging
2) Number of computers
3) Space rental costs (so if you own your space the cheaper you can charge)
4) Local lot/land costs and taxes
5) Electricity
6) How you acquired your computers
7) What's the purpose of the businessman/men?
8) Location, Location, and Location!!

So in Davao, they can charge for as low as PhP1.00 per hour, because most of the factors are already cheap.

Imagine this also:
When the 1st LAN Gaming computer rentals in the country opened, the charging was PhP30.00 per hour.  No internet back then, just pure LAN Party.

That was way back in 1992 if I'm not mistaken, I was only 10 years old  then (the old days, yehba! kicking the arses of those college students bwahahaha).

But now, average "Internet" gaming is ranging between PhP15.00 ~ PhP25.00.

Think about it, how much is PhP30.00 back in 1992 compared to the PhP30.00 today in 2006?

Way back then, they are earning "huge".  Today, they are earning "big".  In my opinion, Imperial Manila's INternet Cafe rentals can really charge cheap - they DONT want to do it.  Who would right?

"At the end of the day, it's all about business and making money."

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something I learned from Davaoenos and from the people from the companies I&#8217;ve work for who went to Davao.</p>
<p>&#8220;The farther you go away from Imperial Manila, the cheaper life becomes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cebu Internet I was told by many colleagues (who are Cebuanos) goes for as low as PhP8 ~ PhP10.00 per hour.</p>
<p>In Davao (as I&#8217;ve said above), even goes below PhP4.00.  There is a very strong Internet Cafe in Davao that offer PhP1.00 of Internet usage per hour.  Imagine that.</p>
<p>Here in Imperial Manila, the lowest I&#8217;ve seen for non-members is PhP10.00 per hour.  For members, PhP7.00 per hour.</p>
<p>Major factors affecting the prices are:<br />
1) ISP charging<br />
2) Number of computers<br />
3) Space rental costs (so if you own your space the cheaper you can charge)<br />
4) Local lot/land costs and taxes<br />
5) Electricity<br />
6) How you acquired your computers<br />
7) What&#8217;s the purpose of the businessman/men?<br />
 <img src='http://www.yugatech.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Location, Location, and Location!!</p>
<p>So in Davao, they can charge for as low as PhP1.00 per hour, because most of the factors are already cheap.</p>
<p>Imagine this also:<br />
When the 1st LAN Gaming computer rentals in the country opened, the charging was PhP30.00 per hour.  No internet back then, just pure LAN Party.</p>
<p>That was way back in 1992 if I&#8217;m not mistaken, I was only 10 years old  then (the old days, yehba! kicking the arses of those college students bwahahaha).</p>
<p>But now, average &#8220;Internet&#8221; gaming is ranging between PhP15.00 ~ PhP25.00.</p>
<p>Think about it, how much is PhP30.00 back in 1992 compared to the PhP30.00 today in 2006?</p>
<p>Way back then, they are earning &#8220;huge&#8221;.  Today, they are earning &#8220;big&#8221;.  In my opinion, Imperial Manila&#8217;s INternet Cafe rentals can really charge cheap - they DONT want to do it.  Who would right?</p>
<p>&#8220;At the end of the day, it&#8217;s all about business and making money.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.yugatech.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
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		<dc:creator>SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>year 2001 when we started an internet cafe dyan sa New Era, Quezon city. P60.00/hr pa noon ang rental at kumikita kami an average of PhP10,000.00 daily.

year 2002 the rate decreased to P50.00/hr hanggang sa naging P30.00/hr dahil sa competition at ang netcafe namin started the price fall.

year 2003 bumaba again to P25.00/hr hanggang sa naging P20.00/hr at kumikita na lang kami dito ng average of P3,000.00 na ang pinakamalaking kita namin ay sa printing.

year 2005 naging P15.00/hr na ang rate at minsan bumababa pa sa P10.00/hr lalo na if the customers is just editing their 300 pages documents which should be printed sa cafe namin na ang price was P2.00/short page with DeskJet printing. 

When the cafes sa paligid namin ay umabot na ng 20, we stopped the business dahil lugi na....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>year 2001 when we started an internet cafe dyan sa New Era, Quezon city. P60.00/hr pa noon ang rental at kumikita kami an average of PhP10,000.00 daily.</p>
<p>year 2002 the rate decreased to P50.00/hr hanggang sa naging P30.00/hr dahil sa competition at ang netcafe namin started the price fall.</p>
<p>year 2003 bumaba again to P25.00/hr hanggang sa naging P20.00/hr at kumikita na lang kami dito ng average of P3,000.00 na ang pinakamalaking kita namin ay sa printing.</p>
<p>year 2005 naging P15.00/hr na ang rate at minsan bumababa pa sa P10.00/hr lalo na if the customers is just editing their 300 pages documents which should be printed sa cafe namin na ang price was P2.00/short page with DeskJet printing. </p>
<p>When the cafes sa paligid namin ay umabot na ng 20, we stopped the business dahil lugi na&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I confirmed that. Nong nasa Cagayan De Oro ako last few weeks ago, one of the computer cafe that I rented charged me only Php 9 per hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I confirmed that. Nong nasa Cagayan De Oro ako last few weeks ago, one of the computer cafe that I rented charged me only Php 9 per hour.</p>
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		<title>By: vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well there might be some factors about having P4/hour

a.) is there air conditioning?
b.) how much is the electricty cost in midanao?
c.) are there special internet packages in provinces?
d.) maybe mas mura ang bilihin sa davao compared here in the metro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well there might be some factors about having P4/hour</p>
<p>a.) is there air conditioning?<br />
b.) how much is the electricty cost in midanao?<br />
c.) are there special internet packages in provinces?<br />
d.) maybe mas mura ang bilihin sa davao compared here in the metro</p>
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		<title>By: ralphot</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralphot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the last time i was in davao to surf... which was 6 years ago (!!!), the rate was still P20. WTF? ganun na lang kamura ngayon?

mapapamura ka sa mura!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last time i was in davao to surf&#8230; which was 6 years ago (!!!), the rate was still P20. WTF? ganun na lang kamura ngayon?</p>
<p>mapapamura ka sa mura!</p>
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		<title>By: elmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P4/hr? what's the catch??  I can't figure out how they would make money with that kind rate, maybe they're into other value added biz and just using computer rental as side services to undermine competitors alltogether then jack up the price later on.

BTW, couple of folks here are planning/thinking about having internet cafe/computer rental business, which is mostly deal with individual consumer, what about hardware rentals (server,desktop,laptop,mobile) for small-biz,entrepreneur,balikbayans,tourist,ofw or start-up to be exact.  the first 5, sila yung may pera (even in the form of credit  card) and for startup i believe most of the times equiped only with passions, ideas and guts but do not have the hardware to turn it into reality.   

One time when i was in manila a friend of mine is crafting a proposal for a company and he wanted me to take a look at his presentation, and i was impressed.  Then i asked him how he plan of doing the presentation, he said he doesn't have a laptop so he will just used the client (prospective) whatever available machine, what?? eh paano kong wala o kaya nasira eh di useless din kahit gaano kaganda ang presentation mo!  In short i ended up letting him used my thinkpad x30 for a day.. for free and he nailed the project.  Now, how many (in metro manila) been on same situation?? I have no idea.. yet.  but.. im in the process of drawing biz plan for mashup tech rental services... web 2.0 style.

Sorry guys/gals for my long and little bit derailed comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P4/hr? what&#8217;s the catch??  I can&#8217;t figure out how they would make money with that kind rate, maybe they&#8217;re into other value added biz and just using computer rental as side services to undermine competitors alltogether then jack up the price later on.</p>
<p>BTW, couple of folks here are planning/thinking about having internet cafe/computer rental business, which is mostly deal with individual consumer, what about hardware rentals (server,desktop,laptop,mobile) for small-biz,entrepreneur,balikbayans,tourist,ofw or start-up to be exact.  the first 5, sila yung may pera (even in the form of credit  card) and for startup i believe most of the times equiped only with passions, ideas and guts but do not have the hardware to turn it into reality.   </p>
<p>One time when i was in manila a friend of mine is crafting a proposal for a company and he wanted me to take a look at his presentation, and i was impressed.  Then i asked him how he plan of doing the presentation, he said he doesn&#8217;t have a laptop so he will just used the client (prospective) whatever available machine, what?? eh paano kong wala o kaya nasira eh di useless din kahit gaano kaganda ang presentation mo!  In short i ended up letting him used my thinkpad x30 for a day.. for free and he nailed the project.  Now, how many (in metro manila) been on same situation?? I have no idea.. yet.  but.. im in the process of drawing biz plan for mashup tech rental services&#8230; web 2.0 style.</p>
<p>Sorry guys/gals for my long and little bit derailed comment.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really dont know if that 4/hr business strategy will work. but they way i see it, i guess these internet shop owners get their profit from printing jobs, snacks available at their counter, e-load, internet dial-up card sale, ragnarok cards sale, etc.   bottomline here is,  madami pa silang mga extras para kumita. 

Abe, meron palang 10  or 15/hr sabi ng pamangkin ko nasa buendia ave. the catch is: online timeis 12midnite til 6AM.   at kahit ganitong oras, puno pa rin daw ang shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really dont know if that 4/hr business strategy will work. but they way i see it, i guess these internet shop owners get their profit from printing jobs, snacks available at their counter, e-load, internet dial-up card sale, ragnarok cards sale, etc.   bottomline here is,  madami pa silang mga extras para kumita. </p>
<p>Abe, meron palang 10  or 15/hr sabi ng pamangkin ko nasa buendia ave. the catch is: online timeis 12midnite til 6AM.   at kahit ganitong oras, puno pa rin daw ang shop.</p>
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