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	<title>Comments on: How to solve the 3G network congestion problem?</title>
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		<title>By: Survey Results: Mobile 3G Spend &#124; YugaTech &#124; Philippines, Technology News &#38; Reviews</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-250348</link>
		<dc:creator>Survey Results: Mobile 3G Spend &#124; YugaTech &#124; Philippines, Technology News &#38; Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to offer quasi-metered 3G more affordably without sacrificing network congestion. Any one of my earlier suggestions here might be of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to offer quasi-metered 3G more affordably without sacrificing network congestion. Any one of my earlier suggestions here might be of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-248383</link>
		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not just implement bandwidth capping peer to peer during peak hours and download all you want during off peak.. but still unlimited connections for normal browsing video streaming etc etc... hybrid of the second and third suggestion... is it possible to identify p2p and regulate it and normal browsing is unlimited?

another question... is peer to peer the only thing that clogs up the network?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not just implement bandwidth capping peer to peer during peak hours and download all you want during off peak.. but still unlimited connections for normal browsing video streaming etc etc&#8230; hybrid of the second and third suggestion&#8230; is it possible to identify p2p and regulate it and normal browsing is unlimited?</p>
<p>another question&#8230; is peer to peer the only thing that clogs up the network?</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-247531</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 on bandwidth capping but increase the cap. 5GB will roughly translate to 150MB per day. it may sound big enough for the mobile warriors but not so much if you require frequent access to medium-to-heavy sites.

ciao!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 on bandwidth capping but increase the cap. 5GB will roughly translate to 150MB per day. it may sound big enough for the mobile warriors but not so much if you require frequent access to medium-to-heavy sites.</p>
<p>ciao!</p>
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		<title>By: Rolly</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-247508</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I know that local ISPs are doing bandwidth shaping for a few years now - that&#039;s why I&#039;m selective of which one I get for my internet services.

The question now is who regulates their &#039;moderation&#039; controls for bandwidth?  They can ultimately decide to drop all P2P throughput to 1KBps if they like.

The timed-charging should have been OK for Globe had they followed the same charging system like Smart.  They charge P5/15 mins and per every reconnection while Smart does it P10/30 mins irregardless of how many reconnection.  It&#039;s the implementation that is flawed and looks like they just wanted to steal money from those clueless users.

For me, if they can&#039;t do away with implement bandwidth shaping due to infrastructure limitations (heck Comcast and other ISPs in the US face the same problems) they should just put out explicit policies for mobile data plans/policies against P2P but drop the price.  You get lesser priviliges for wired broadband connection but get consistent service.  End result - consumers know what they are getting for, comes cheaper, ISPs can put the bandwidth shaping infrastructure they want but provide consistent service.

E.g. P500-P1000/month no P2P allowed, unlimited data.  I&#039;d probably go for a rate of P700 for mobile internet...but that&#039;s just my preference given the &#039;limited&#039; service - I can do blogging, surfing, downloading thru HTTP/FTP, chat, and email (a normal web surfer profile).  If I want P2P then I&#039;d resort to DSL broadband lines at home.  It pushes the use of mobile data plans to be used for when you&#039;re actually mobile...not replace your DSL.  You don&#039;t do P2P when you&#039;re on the road right? (Of course, some will argue that they don&#039;t have acess in their location but either that or get crappy service?!).

Sorry for the long post Yuga as I just have too many things in my head that I want to make my point clear but I tried to be as concise as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know that local ISPs are doing bandwidth shaping for a few years now &#8211; that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m selective of which one I get for my internet services.</p>
<p>The question now is who regulates their &#8216;moderation&#8217; controls for bandwidth?  They can ultimately decide to drop all P2P throughput to 1KBps if they like.</p>
<p>The timed-charging should have been OK for Globe had they followed the same charging system like Smart.  They charge P5/15 mins and per every reconnection while Smart does it P10/30 mins irregardless of how many reconnection.  It&#8217;s the implementation that is flawed and looks like they just wanted to steal money from those clueless users.</p>
<p>For me, if they can&#8217;t do away with implement bandwidth shaping due to infrastructure limitations (heck Comcast and other ISPs in the US face the same problems) they should just put out explicit policies for mobile data plans/policies against P2P but drop the price.  You get lesser priviliges for wired broadband connection but get consistent service.  End result &#8211; consumers know what they are getting for, comes cheaper, ISPs can put the bandwidth shaping infrastructure they want but provide consistent service.</p>
<p>E.g. P500-P1000/month no P2P allowed, unlimited data.  I&#8217;d probably go for a rate of P700 for mobile internet&#8230;but that&#8217;s just my preference given the &#8216;limited&#8217; service &#8211; I can do blogging, surfing, downloading thru HTTP/FTP, chat, and email (a normal web surfer profile).  If I want P2P then I&#8217;d resort to DSL broadband lines at home.  It pushes the use of mobile data plans to be used for when you&#8217;re actually mobile&#8230;not replace your DSL.  You don&#8217;t do P2P when you&#8217;re on the road right? (Of course, some will argue that they don&#8217;t have acess in their location but either that or get crappy service?!).</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post Yuga as I just have too many things in my head that I want to make my point clear but I tried to be as concise as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-247507</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah...3G will go the same way as wired broadband as adoption of wireless broadband increases...natural progression</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah&#8230;3G will go the same way as wired broadband as adoption of wireless broadband increases&#8230;natural progression</p>
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		<title>By: yuga</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-247487</link>
		<dc:creator>yuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, did you know that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/bad-isps-according-to-azureus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Philippine ISPs are already doing &lt;strong&gt;bandwidth shaping on DSL lines&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, did you know that <a href="http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/bad-isps-according-to-azureus/" rel="nofollow">Philippine ISPs are already doing <strong>bandwidth shaping on DSL lines</strong></a>?</p>
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		<title>By: yuga</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-247486</link>
		<dc:creator>yuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rolly - I&#039;m not suggesting P2P to be totally removed from the equation, just &quot;moderated&quot; to acceptable levels. 

You think that the current solution of the carriers to do time-based charging instead of the old unlimited option is the right choice? At least only those who really need the 3G network will be the ones who will spend for it and they&#039;ll get the quality speed expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rolly &#8211; I&#8217;m not suggesting P2P to be totally removed from the equation, just &#8220;moderated&#8221; to acceptable levels. </p>
<p>You think that the current solution of the carriers to do time-based charging instead of the old unlimited option is the right choice? At least only those who really need the 3G network will be the ones who will spend for it and they&#8217;ll get the quality speed expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolly</title>
		<link>http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/how-to-solve-the-3g-network-congestion-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-247483</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The assumptions that 3G shouldn&#039;t be used for downloading stuff even torrents (how about legal torrents?!) is a wrong premise.  Net neutrality and the direct evolution of broadband internet to mobile internet will become a joke if this is the case.

It&#039;s a dangerous suggestion.  However, it this is only kept as a transitionary phase to make the mobile internet service consistent then I&#039;m with it.  It can give the providers time to upgrade the infrastructure to support broadband quality internet connectivity.

You know how the market is in the Philippines.  Once everybody gets used to it, innovation stops for existing providers until a neophyte challenges them.  I&#039;d rather like this article not to forget the evolution of mobile internet AND emphasize the suggestions in the article as transitionary, not the end-all solution. My 2 cents :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assumptions that 3G shouldn&#8217;t be used for downloading stuff even torrents (how about legal torrents?!) is a wrong premise.  Net neutrality and the direct evolution of broadband internet to mobile internet will become a joke if this is the case.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a dangerous suggestion.  However, it this is only kept as a transitionary phase to make the mobile internet service consistent then I&#8217;m with it.  It can give the providers time to upgrade the infrastructure to support broadband quality internet connectivity.</p>
<p>You know how the market is in the Philippines.  Once everybody gets used to it, innovation stops for existing providers until a neophyte challenges them.  I&#8217;d rather like this article not to forget the evolution of mobile internet AND emphasize the suggestions in the article as transitionary, not the end-all solution. My 2 cents <img src='http://www.yugatech.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aldrin Cantos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldrin Cantos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree more on bandwidth capping.</description>
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