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Does AMD have a brand perception problem?

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While talking to one of the computer manufacturers recently, they shared that they have a hard time selling premium laptops when it’s powered by an AMD processor. The issue might have to deal with market perception of the brand.

When the topic was raised, a lot of my friends in the media thought it was due to the decade-long perception that AMD processors heat up so fast. Actually, that’s not a problem any more (but the notion still persists up to now) but more like consumer tolerance on pricing.

The bottom line — it’s very hard to sell the Phenom brand at top tier prices, unlike the Core i5 or i7 series. And to think Intel’s new CPU brands are way younger (now we know that marketing is such a huge deal when it comes to brands). So people are willing to shell out tens of thousands of pesos for laptops with the Core i5 and Core i7 brand but would not do the same if it were an Athlon or a Phenom.

However, there’s a sweet spot — for laptops at under Php30k price tag, people have no problem with AMD processors. In fact, laptops with Athlon or Phenom processors sell like hotcakes as long as they’re cheap. There’s a segment in the market that are actually AMD fans (they say it’s the TipidPC market and it makes sense since those are people who really look for value for their money).

Here’s my question — when was the last time you bought a laptop with an AMD processor in it?

Frequently Asked Questions

Why do computer manufacturers struggle to sell premium laptops with AMD processors?
Market perception issues, including a decade-old belief that AMD processors overheat, make it hard to sell them at top-tier prices.
At what price point do AMD-powered laptops sell well?
Laptops with AMD processors sell well when priced under Php30k, as consumers see them as good value.
Which market segment is particularly fond of AMD processors?
The TipidPC market, which consists of value-conscious consumers, are known AMD fans.
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Manny · 16 years ago

erratum: i meant, assemble their own sets.


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Manny · 16 years ago

there may be a brand perception issue, but i dont think its because of performance.

its just that, Intel have been forcing manufacturers to cut rivals like AMD out of the market by offering box builder’s exclusive and lucrative deals to use only its chips. something that Intel has been found guilty of and fined billions of dollars in the US, EU and Asia. that in turn made it look like to most consumers that only Intel exists, or at least “the better” one.

i dont know if it still affects the majority of the market whether its intel or amd. especially nowadays that you buy complete package systems, and the brand you see is Dell, HP, and others. maybe only for those who choose to assembly their own sets.

as for me, i have both AMD and intel sets, and i dont have problems for both.


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myke · 16 years ago

Dec 2006 – Acer notebook forgot the model
Apr 2007 – gave the notebook to my brother


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Joseph · 16 years ago

2008 – CQ40-107au my very first laptop

2009 – Gateway LT3102i

2010 – Gateway EC13N01i

All the processors are Athlon..

Actually hindi lang processor ang umiinit, yung VIDEO CARD po ang dumadagdag sa init. Naging issue din ito sa mga Nvidia chipset.


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Joseph · 16 years ago

2008 – CQ40-107au my very first laptop

2009 – LT313

2010 – Gateway EC13N01i

All the processors are Athlon..

Actually hindi naman processor ang umiinit, yung VIDEO CARD


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vondoom · 16 years ago

somebody post some benchmarks! hehe things will get interesting pag meron ganon hehe


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Cyberius · 16 years ago

I’ve read all the replies on this post. I think it’s Yuga that has brand perception problems.


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Cyberius · 16 years ago

No, I don’t think so. A lot of my friends use AMD. Coz they’re not stupid to just waste money on Intel.

Intel chips run a lot hotter than AMD. Core i5 while playing games maxes out @ 70+ degrees Celsius while playing Batman Asylum. Compare that to what I recently bought (AMD X2 250) which at idle runs only at 39~40 degrees Celsius. While playing the same games vs Intel it jumps to just 46 degrees C (during afternoon and without any air-conditioning). I think Intel can never top that. The reason why I continue to buy AMD is because I save a lot on electricity bills. Who wants to sweat it out while playing video games?

The comparison I made is with an NVIDIA integrated vga chip 400mhz 512mb for both system.


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dulfo · 16 years ago

I just bought an AMD-powered laptop (MSI-U230) early this year and so far em very satisfied with it. But, even though I recently bought one I tend to agree with yuga that I still can’t get out of the overheating problems attached to AMD procies especially with PCs since the feedbacks were first-hand experiences of my gaming friends. For new AMD procies though, I don’t believed that this is true anymore and so I would agree that AMD has got to do something in this area.


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Mr.A · 16 years ago

I got an Athlon XP 2GHz on a Socket A motherboard and it was pretty decent. I switched to Intel, because at the time AMD wasn’t up to the performance of Intel’s Core line of processors.

My next rig will be an AMD one. I also wrote an article about 3 new Phenom II and Athlon II chips coming in a few months.

http://pinoypcper.com/2010/09/23/amd-releases-6-new-processors-bringing-cheap-cpus-cheaper/

Ontario and Zacate will also bring promise of great performance, given that Ontario will only have a TDP of 10W –if I’m not mistaken, and 18W for Zacate. As some poster had mentioned Zacate was able to beat an I5 processor in terms of performance, but most of the test are focused on the GPU side of the processors. We can’t put much say on the processor side.

However the Sandy Bridge is another new topic. I don’t think AMD had anything to compete for the Sandy Bridge line as of this moment. AMD is more keen on delivering what the Atom failed to deliver to the majority of the computer geeks like us, in terms performance and portability.


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MrOrange · 16 years ago

I would believe it partly AMD market versus Intel. If you’d recall Intel had a case previously wherein they forced PC Manufacturers to sell Intel only processors, so not all vendors carried AMD processors or if they did. their marketing would be wiped off the face of the earth (pun intended).

Basically I never had an AMD based Laptop, but had 6 AMD based desktops from the K6-2 550 which I overclocked easily to 800 Air-cooled. to my last one which was a AMD Athlon X2 3200 overclocked as well, still just passively cooled. (no airconditioning)

AMD is not as hot as what people percieve it to be. Possibly the video on youtube is what destroyed AMD in the past, since comparing a Intel Processor with a heatspreader versus an AMD without one is downright stupid. and removing the heatsink to top the test with. kaya nga ginawa ang heatsink eh.


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JingE · 16 years ago

Brand perception is about marketing and if ever AMD has been wanting on that side, it’s due probably to their capacity to influence retailers to “push” their products. And it’s plain and simple p-r-o-f-i-t which is at forefront.
But for me, it’s AMD all the way! Eversince it has always been the price. And the power if I may add. Just imagine a Phenom II X6 priced lower than an Intel i5. From the business point of view;do you think we could afford these processors of Intel if not because of the competition brought about by AMD? Competition is indeed g-o-o-d!


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The Machine · 16 years ago

Computer enthusiasts or computer-savvy users would know that AMD is just as good as Intel.

AMD has a perception problem with the non-computer savvy, who think that Intel is superior and don’t even know what AMD is.


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Asus G60JX · 16 years ago

mine had a turion x2 (hp pavillion dv6810us) before i switched last june to asus with the core i5. served me well for 2 years too until i decided that it was time to sell it before it became worthless.


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Solidhosting · 16 years ago

When it comes to entry level computers, I go with AMD! One is the price compared to Intel which we all know are very expensive. I have an HP Pavillion DV7 with AMD Turion X2 and it’s performing well compared to my previous Dell Inspiron with Intel Centrino Duo.

Since we all know that AMD are good for overclocking. It means that heat is not a factor since you are able to overclock it!


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drew · 16 years ago

o nga.. ads lng ung kulang ng AMD.. gawa sila ng ads na bago na technology ng AMD na hindi na masyadong umiinit ang kanilang mga microproci.. kagaya ng, ang mga lumang microprocessors ng AMD ay pd ka png mg luto ng itlog pero sa mga bagong products nla hindi na ma luluto ung itlog kundi ung performance na ung maluluto dahil sa bilis ng kanilang mga processors. hehe


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Wakocoke · 16 years ago

AMD TUNA FOR THE WIN!


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Noir · 16 years ago

Oh as for battery life

Yeah if that is important for you then i suggest dont buy AMD for now wait until next year when they will release TRUE mobile CPUs.

Ontario and Zacate will be availabe early 1Q 2011.

CAnt wait to have Zacate and play games faster than an integrated i5 GPU.

Oh Sandy brdige for Intel will also be releasing next year. Dont know about the price though.


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Ton · 16 years ago

My first self-bought desktop (2002) purchased was an AMD. Cheap setup, but I noticed it wouldn’t boot without the a/c in the room on (or it would shut off for overheating). The tech recommended after market cooling, which compromised performance for noise. I switched the thing for a P4. Its still working today!

My girlfriend had an AMD notebook not long ago. You could literally fry an egg on the underside after a few minutes use.

I could try the brand out again, if I had the time and patience to experiment. Sans that, no AMD for me.


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Romy Uyehara · 16 years ago

With amd powered laptop, battery life suffers… Am I right Yuga ???


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Noir · 16 years ago

I bought a ACer 4520G which was my first laptop also my first “PC” with a dedicated GPU(although the weakest dedicated GPU).

Then CompaqCQ40 :D

bought ana INtel PC in 2008, upgraded into Athlon II x2 OCed 3.55 ghz.

Sold Intel will buy a Athlon II x3. Will sell Compaq CQ40 will buy Ontario or Zacate in January :D

4 AMDs and 1 intel for me. Of course

First PC was Intel, 2nd also Intel then 3rd. When i was aware of AMD i went full force as you can see.

Oh will also buy a 6750 or 6770 next month:D


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Les · 16 years ago

mas maganda siguro ma compare ang temperature ng intel vs amd… diba nakikita yun sa bios? sorry wala akong units for comparison eh hehehe


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Leo · 16 years ago

i have an acer aspire 5536 laptop, running on an AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL65 (2.1GHz) processor. So far, okay naman sya, umiinit pero hindi ko sure kung dahil yun s processor, bka kc sa HD din. Bago p ko bumili ng laptop mas gus2 ko talaga ang AMD dahil s price nya. ska nresearch ko n dn ksi s internet dati n ang AMD, hindi n bsta umiinit gaya nung mga unang processors nya.


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manaka_junpei · 16 years ago

hintayin mong bumaba ang presyo nang mga processor nang AMD, kahit lumang model nang AMD, nagiging mura na, pero hindi ko alam kung kaya ba niya ang Windows 7, I think next year na sana bumaba ang presyo


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AJ · 16 years ago

Bought my Compaq CQ40-416 a year ago, mostly because it’s the cheapest unit with it’s own on-board graphics chip (ATI 3200HD). An Intel MSI unit was around the same price and actually better specs but I didn’t like it’s finish.


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JM · 16 years ago

actually, mahirap talagang pag-compare yang dalawang brands na yan.

sakin lang, sa Desktop okay ang AMD or Intel.
swak yan! but for Laptops? I’d rather stick on Intel. cguro dahil na rin sa naeexperience ko na mas maganda ang Intel sa Laptop and almost majority ng laptops is Intel Base. :)

I have an Compaq CQ40 running on AMD Turion x2 (dati..binenta ko na..di ako satisfied :p)
I have now a Desktop with AMD Athlon x2 5000+ 2.6Ghz
and I’m quite impressed. kung icocopare mo nga lang sa caches, mas malaki talaga ang cached ng Intel :)


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RJCA · 16 years ago

Both my laptop and my desktop are AMD powered.

Phenom II X2 550 3.10GHz

Athlon II Neo K325 1.3GHz

Value for money. :)


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NonesenseLife · 16 years ago

today im using a amd turion x2 laptop.so far mgnda nmn ung performance nya.im planning to build a amd rig pnga eh.i’ll choose amd rather than intel kung budget paguusapan


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Martin Copeland · 16 years ago

The laptop I’m currently using is powered by an AMD Turion x2.

It’s an ok proc I guess… It’s just that the heatsink HP designed sucks and I had to send it back to the service center just 6 months after buying it. It’s ok now. It’s just I can’t do tasks that put too much workload because the heatsink just can’t cope up.


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Mangungubat · 16 years ago

about on name recall, amd has new branding for its laptops. it is called vision branding which focuses on the user’s needs, not on the specs.it is now circling on the market.i got one of their flyers.

on desktop side, simple lang naman yung name nila. athlon II x2,3,4 at phenom II x2,3,4,6.well the number tells the processor it has. simply as that.


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lawreas · 16 years ago

actually name recall ang kulang sa promotion nila..

unlike intel that uses layman’s branding at progressive ba:

from pentium 1-3, Dual-core, Core2Duo, Corei3,i5,i7:
madaling macatch ng tao kung ano ang entry level, midrange, at high-end..

unlike sa AMD, prang solely different products ang mga unit models nila.. u have to explain pa sa average consumers ang counterpart nito sa intel para magka-idea sila sa specs..

sana lagyan nila ng numbering system at general term (like CORE) ang branding nila para effective.


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raynorubuntu · 16 years ago

you dont have to spend too much money to advertise a good product…the money that they’ve spent on those multi-million dollar ad campaign, they’re getting them back by charging consumers too much…


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YuYu · 16 years ago

it looks like most of us frequenting tech sites/blogs are on AMD. :D


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lolipown · 16 years ago

For one though, I’m excited for Bobcat and Bulldozer, AMD’s upcoming new chips. I just hope I won’t be disappointed… but then again there’s Intel’s Sandy Bridge.


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lolipown · 16 years ago

Intel simply has more money which it can throw at advertising and marketing while AMD has to devote much of it’s resources to research and development.

And you also have to remember Intel’s overly aggressive tactics in the early years of competition (which they’ve paid a sweet sum to AMD as settlement).


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andyboi · 16 years ago

…at marami ng natulongan tao si AMD pagdating sa small scale businesses particularly in Visayas wherein aside sa internet cafes, patok na patok ang coined operated pc..and most of it are AMD processors…d kakayanin sa Intel packages dahil sa presyo palang ng processor at sa motherboard na compatible nito ay dudugo na bulsa mo…
marketing?! nah…i don’t think so
results?! indeed and good job for AMD!


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andyboi · 16 years ago

…at marami ng natulongan tao si AMD pagdating sa small scale businesses particularly in Visayas wherein patok na patok ang coined operated pc..and most of it are AMD processors…d kakayanin sa Intel packages dahil sa presyo palang ng processor at sa motherboard na compatible nito ay dudugo na bulsa mo…
marketing?! nah…i don’t think so
results?! indeed for AMD


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andyboi · 16 years ago

hmmmmm..it’s just simple..despite of strong marketing scheme of Intel, AMD now starts to emerge one step at a time to the top wherein more people are now recognizing the performance and existence of the brand AMD…You can check the market for Visayas and Mindanao and see for yourself…partida pa yan medyo d pa sila malakas sa marketing side ng AMD…


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leeto · 16 years ago

AMD should do more on promotions and advertising, wag sila maging barat kung gusto nilang sumikat at kumita.


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Mangungubat · 16 years ago

I don’t think that the heat issue about amd procie is still an issue. as of my experience, i have athlon 64 x2 5000+ 2.2ghz dual core cpu unlocked to phenom fx5000 (which is now similar to phenom II procie) and overclocked to 2.7ghz just using stock fan.I played many 2009-2010 latest games (dmc 4,cod mw2,Fear2, resident evil 5) and it doesn’t hang. im have no aircon in my room, and uses only my electric fan (ajeje).

AMD is really a big bang for the bucks. for less than 3k, i got a quad core cpu.

I admit that amd lacks in marketing materials,obvious naman.but think about it, di kaya nagpapalakas ang intel about sa marketing nila dahil more people are switching to amd? hmmm.

More power to all.


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Eason · 16 years ago

My Asus X80Ne laptop :)

AMD Turion x64 Tl-56 Processor :)

Bought it November 2008


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YuYu · 16 years ago

This is so true!

I think kulang na kulang sa Advertising ang AMD.
Probably the reason why mura din ang chips nila because they don’t spend so much sa advertising.

I’m an avid AMD user (my PC/laptops were a K5, K6-2, Duron, Sempron, Turion). Kung wala si AMD, hindi magiging affordable ang mg PCs natin ngayon.

Yung overheating issue na yan hindi na nakakatawa, nakakainis na.


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Jay · 16 years ago

Just a follow up..

“While talking to one of the computer manufacturers recently, they shared that they have a hard time selling premium laptops when it’s powered by an AMD processor.”

–And you didn’t bother to ask him why does he thinks so?

Yet the readers are left with…
The issue MIGHT have to deal with market perception of the brand.

“Here’s my question — when was the last time you bought a laptop with an AMD processor in it?”

Was opting for Asus 1201t based on your reviews but then I settled for an Asus 1005P (Atom N470).

–Mahirap lang talaga ibenta ang laptop na AMD na secondhand lalo na’t di masyadong kilala ng tao.

Oh anyway, I owned an AMD rig before. Phenom X3 8450 a triple core technology, In my opinion, it’s performance was sub par of my previous rig which was a Core2Duo E6550 especially in running video editing applications and gaming.

Nevertheless, the AMD build was cheaper and the cost of building one is exceptionally student-friendly.


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kritiker · 16 years ago

AMD is quite good actually. Been exposed to it since my first PC is an AMD. Nowadays, In real use, you won’t notice the difference in performance.

laptops = problem is battery life, but I think they’ve improve a bit better now. other than that, it’s ok.
may 2009 – acer 4530 – for me, but with a 4 gig setup. still using it now.
aug 2008 – acer 4530 – for my sis, better than intel’s x3100 graphics.
sep 2007 – acer 4520 – it’s hot literally but the during that time, it has the best graphics compared to the common GMA950 at the time.

desktop = no complaints here. People are just fools to get an Intel. The savings you get will get you a premium graphics card and/or memory configuration.
3rd = AMD Athlon X2 = current desktop configuration.
3rd = AMD Sempron(can’t remember the model)
2nd = AMD Duron 650 Mhz
1st = AMD 4×86

with today’s applications, you won’t even notice the difference especially for desktops. for laptops, you’ll be quite hit with the battery life. but if your laptop is a desktop replacement like mine, then you’ll be fine. better to get more memory or hard disk or graphics card (for desktop systems).


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dawnripper · 16 years ago

Here’s my question — when was the last time you bought a laptop with an AMD processor in it?

Last feb/2010 dalawang gateway lt3103 from pccorner – athlon processor/2gb memory running win7; ok naman sa performance; even on hours of watching/playing medyo mainit nga lang but expected na. user pa is grade6 and grade4 students. playing Q3A/WC3/DOTA/CS/and many PS games (ffviii & ffix) and other new lower specs games. tried SC2 naghahang sa cinematics pa lang hahaha…

my desktop is also an amd phenomIIx4 920/4gb mem; plan ko sana is Q8600 but laki ng price difference “dati”.stability problem na sinasabi imo siguro if wrong configuration lang.

kudos!


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Jay · 16 years ago

^regarding brand perception.. kulang na kulang lang talaga sila sa local partnerships at advertisment.

One notable example is most computer retailers na napupuntahan ko tadtad ng intel posters. madalang lang ang AMD posters.

Paano makikilala ng tao yung brand kung hindi naman nagpapakilala yung mga manufacturer?

Phenom / Athlon — name palang ang Panget na pakinggan, mabantot.. What the hell are those? Heroes of mythical Greek fables?

They need to change that naming scheme.

For a newbie hindi kaagad-agad na makakarelate in building his rig. At least sa naming schemes ng Intel mas madali mong malalaman kung anong tier ang processor (Pentium, Pentium D, Core2Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7)

“…due to the decade-long perception that AMD processors heat up so fast.”

they still believe that? most of my friends pag nakarinig ng intel lalo na kung i7… “mainit yan” hehe

Ni hindi ko nga alam na AMD heats up so fast nung pinalitan ko Core2Duo processor ko ng Phenom X3, only thing i know that Intel is superior than AMD in terms of performance that time.

The most common perception ng tao nowadays pagdating sa AMD is cheap, low performance processors.

Pero sabi na nga ni Rolex…
“On desktop platforms, however, AMD is champ when it comes to overclocking. I’ve had my Phenom 2 X6 run 24 hours of prime95 stability @4.2ghz at manual voltages.”

There you have it.. Budget wise, bang for the buck pa rin ang AMD setup.

I am not an Intel nor an AMD fan boy, just a regular Pinoy consumer.

Hence, I strongly believe that AMD does have a MAJOR brand perception problem.


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bruns · 16 years ago

if amd is aware of their weak brand perception from mid-end up….then they should be aggressive in their promo campaigns to counter/erase/minimize such bad perception from the past.

matipid din ata kasi sila sa marketing nila. they really need to spend more for their PR.


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Jhay · 16 years ago

The overheating problems of the past probably stems from overclocking AMD chips which is what I’ve come to know the brand for.

Though I’ve never owned a PC or laptop with an AMD chip, the lower price has always appealed to me. Except when Intel’s flashy ads and over-all brand presentation, I’m sold.


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dongkidoodles · 16 years ago

you are right abe. it’s a brand perception. All my 3 laptops and one desk top are intel powered because I avoided AMD due to the perceived heat problem. Now the problem is over, I might consider AMD next time.


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Rolex · 16 years ago

For laptops, I’ll put my money on Intel. I won’t take my chances with AMD — they’re power hogs. But I think the Bobcat line will strip them of that stereotype when it launches.

On desktop platforms, however, AMD is champ when it comes to overclocking. I’ve had my Phenom 2 X6 run 24 hours of prime95 stability @4.2ghz at manual voltages.

Still, it depends on your preferences. I just don’t trust AMD on mobility though.


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