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BibViz, an online guide to all of Bible’s contradictions

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The Holy Bible has been the foundation of Christian religion, as well as the other sects that originated from it. It is here that clergies base what they preach to their followers, and where some people get inspirations from during their dark hours. But what if somebody tells you that the sacred book has tons of contradictions and he’s got a proof to show it?

No he’s not the devil (although some considers him as one), but a computer programmer named Daniel Taylor who designed the website BibViz (Bible Visualization). The site provides a comprehensive look at all 463 inconsistencies that can be found inside the Bible based on the data from Skeptic’s Annotated Bible. His work also includes a detailed graph that maps each of these alleged contradictions, as well as the exact quotes and scriptures.

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But before you stone Taylor to death, or throw him into the pits of hell because of his heretic work, he explains that BibViz isn’t intended to strip every ounce of faith from you, instead he wants provide an “interactive resource” for those who are seeking out the untold secrets hidden in the pages of the sacred book.

As a Catholic, and a person who’ve read the Bible many times, I think that BibViz shouldn’t sway anyone to against their belief in God and his teachings. Rather, it’s just another concrete proof that those men who wrote the Bible, regardless of how noble their intentions were, aren’t perfect beings. That doesn’t mean that the word of God is flawed though, or is it?

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anti-Rain · 13 years ago

you always ask for proof. but you’re the one contradicting yourself. prove first your beliefs. the one with the closed mind is yourself as you are already identifying that the book is already a fact.

one example of how people viewed things before.
before we didn’t understand weather and considered it an act of god. then now we know what weather is and consider it something explainable .

you think you’re the one looking for evidence. you’re the one doing nothing. it shows how ignorant you are.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

OMFS!!!

SAPUL si @rain Hahahahahaha

lol


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wew · 13 years ago

wed ont need evidences, we only need our faith. because i believe that science cannot explain everything…pero kung dumating ang panahon na maexplain ng science(therese really a concrete explanation, not just a theory) at macontradict ang nakalgay sa sacrede scriptures, we will be open to that new idea pero it doesnt mean na hindi na totoo si God. tandaan, isang aspeto lang ang napatunayan ng science hindi kabuuan…


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kikomachine · 13 years ago

Proofs of the “TRUTH” always start from the center of one’s OWN RELIGION and work outwards. The result is a BIASED WAY OF THINKING which we are brought up to accept from childhood. -Erich Von Daniken, Chariot of the Gods


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wew · 13 years ago

dun sa mga mejo confused eh try nyu manood ng angels and demons, sobrang ganda ng movie na yan


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wew · 13 years ago

ganito lang kasi yan,hindi naman mismo ang religion at science ang nagaaway-away, kundi ung mga taong naniniwala dito. ang pinakamagandang gawin eh dapat lahat ng tao ay bukas ang isipan…kung may mapatunayan ang science na di kayang mapatunayan ng faith edi be with it,tanggapin un kasi pagbaliktarin man ang mundo un pa rin ang katotohanan and vice versa.


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The Chosen.. · 13 years ago

1st: There’s no contradiction in the bible,there’s only misinterpretation, misconception and mistranslation.

2nd: Thats’s why the bible warned about having to omit or to add something to its teachings would be a sinful act.

3rd: Not everyone is capable of understanding the true meaning of the bible because it was hidden in mystery and only the chosen can decipher it by the guidance of God and the help of the holy spirit.

4th: The bible also taught lots of scientific, geographic and historical facts about human evolution which the scientific community is just reaffirming or rediscovering nowadays.

5th: Mostly the reason for being an Agnostics and/or Atheists is the result from being misguided by different sects or religions, and that someone haven’t reach the truth or conviction that they’re searching for.

6th: CONCRETE EXAMPLE.. At the BibViz http://bibviz.com/how-many-gods-are-there-sab.html#at_pco=smlre-1.0&at_tot=4&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=0 , there’s a contradiction regarding how many god’s are there? and the answer is, there’s a lot of god’s being worship around the world like by the muslims, buddhism, hinduism etc. but among them, there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD which is the Father in heaven. so definitely its not contradiction, the bible only teaches the fact that there are other entities being called god by different group of people and that’s a historical fact. which in that case, makes the bible and its teaching, a very relevant and concrete piece of evidence for its authenticity.

7th: Now the question is, how relevant is the 3.8billion yrs evolution video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndIGM5xrS38 posted by abuzalzal to this matter?? does the scientific community have proof of their claims?? and the answer is NONE!!! not a single one… unlike the bible which tells the story of each regions and generations that it covers and leaves a lasting mark of evidence.

8th: yes, u read it right. a lasting mark of evidence. why? because the Philippines is one of the regions which have been prophecised..

Isaiah 24:15
New International Version (NIV)
15 Therefore in the east give glory to the Lord;
exalt the name of the Lord, the God of Israel,
in the islands of the sea.

Isaiah 43:5-6
New International Version (NIV)
5 Do not be afraid, for I am with you;
I will bring your children from the east
and gather you from the west.
6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’
and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’
Bring my sons from afar
and my daughters from the ends of the earth—

here’s the rest.. happy reading..

http://torch-of-salvation.blogspot.com/2011/06/ang-sugo-ng-diyos-sa-mga-huling-araw.html


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crash · 13 years ago

I sometimes think we humans are the aliens to this world. We crash landed all over earth. There are chinese alies, american aliens, etc. We got amnesia and forgot our origin because of whatever i dunno. After that, to cover up the blank space in our minds, we invented religion. Then hooray, we’re here now arguing about our differences about our beliefs.


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Rain · 13 years ago

When you present solid empirical evidences, you study and experiment how a thing develops. Just like the DNA which is made up of a double helix structure and the pairing of nucleotude subunits because it has been studied by Watson and Crick. It is a good example of a theory backed up with solid scientific evidence. But a “simple water organisms evolve into a complex organism” belief, where is the proof in that?


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mandacraze · 13 years ago

Totally… I have to laugh… Hahahahahahahahahahahaa!


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crash · 13 years ago

Best guess is that we were once intelligent water creatures. Naextinct na yung last water creature kasi nainom na silang lahat at nakain ng mga isda.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

But then again you would all rather choose to believe in that book that was written by animal farmers that barely knew the earth’s real shape.

Oh how hilarious you people are…..LOL


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crash · 13 years ago

they eventually learned the truth about the shape though.. but they still believed in God.


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Rain · 13 years ago

Oh. So you based it on a youtube animation.? Did you even question where did the professor based it from? All he did was basically postulate what happened. With the prokaryote, he even started the statement with LIKELY. Logically he is postulating here because how on earth was he able to say it was indeed the prokaryote? Where did the prokaryote come from? The professor is a historian. Good but logically you have to be able to PROVE that happened billions of years ago, the professor would be able to duplicate that to state a conclusion. Basically, he is just postulating.


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enlightened1 · 13 years ago

To abujakol and voltez5, I see progress in you guys. In this catholic/christian dominated country, its hard to find people who can think freely. Most filipinos are slaves of preconceived ideas taught by religions.


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Rain · 13 years ago

@enlightened1. The truth is, you are like parasites in a society established on Judeo-Christian principles. Enslavement? What are you alking about? All the freedom you are enjoying her in this country is based on a Godly constittuion which invokes the Almighty. Why don’t you and your ilk migrate to NORTH KOREA. Walang Dios dun let’s see kung magenjoy ka dun.


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crash · 13 years ago

I dont reeally care if people pray to other gods, chairs, birds, or nothing at all. So as long as we can live in harmony and in peace without the thought of our conflicting beliefs. Respect lang diba sa paniniwala ng mga tao. Di yung parang binabastos at ginagawang parang tanga ang mga taong naniniwala sa kung sinong god. amen. peace to all water organism.


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Rain · 13 years ago

Please letmebecalm & abuzalzal, if you are “logical” thinkers, you don’t resort to taunts and insults. In fact the burden of proof of that “magical amoeba thing turning into a princess” belief rests on you. Logically, you need to present a solid scientific proof for your beliefs. I’m levelling with you on the scientific aspect.


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Rain · 13 years ago

LOGICAL thinker? Or someone who is openminded that he’ll believe in ANYTHING except religion? Wacko me? Hahha. Look who get’s trump with facts rather than pre-conceived notions. Ok since you are LOGICAL THINKERS kuno, then how come you abuzalzal CAN’T even back up with solid empirical scientific evidence that “water organism can transform into a Paris Hilton” belief of yours? So logically, if a thing evolves, the former disappears. Yet why are there still monkeys, amoebas, planktons around? Since humans evolve from these tiny creatures, they should have been non-existent already. Logic dictates you need to present scientific proof because logically that is what you believe.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Heto…but of course hindi ka rin maniniwala dahil hahanapan mo na naman ako ng evidence hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndIGM5xrS38

PLEASE TAKE TIME AND WATCH…don’t be shy, 5 minutes lang ito, it is a well-explained animation video that even 7 year olds can understand and COMPREHEND (but I doubt if Religious wackos would, most probably not) XD

Huwag mong sabihin na mas marunong ka pa sa nagsulat ng video?

Cannabis pa @rain


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Late_Reaction · 13 years ago

3.8 billion years? Gaya ng sabi ng ibang commenters dito supernatural din ang iyong pinaniniwalaan. Ibig sabihin nasa parehas lang din kayo ng footing sa mga tinatawag mo na mga “religious wackos”.

Evolution theory.

theory – tentative insight, a concept that is not yet verified


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Cannabis pa!Ahahahahahahahahahaha

Ang labanan na dito..Logical Thinkers vs Supernatural Religious wackos


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mandacraze · 13 years ago

May I ask you sir, what`s supernatural with what we believe? Have you ever thought that the evolution thing you believe into is also supernatural? What is so logical with believing a scientist who cannot explain everything in this world knowing that you yourself cannot even make your own disposition relying also into something like the ones that the scientist makes? I dont expect everything to be understood. This universe is just so vast for us to argue on. What we believe may be “fantasy” to you but tell me do you even know us to throw such accusations? Science is the explanation of the supernatural things. Or in other words there is no such thing as supernatural; its just that humans are ignorant on things happening to this world because their knowledge cannot fathom such and so dont expect to understand everything. I understand how you feel. Things that cannot be proven are not worth believing but some of us Christians have been through experiences that you just cannot understand. I wont convince you to believe me but I hope you do know your purpose.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndIGM5xrS38

You too, educate yourself , 5 minutes lang ito!


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mandacraze · 13 years ago

You’re funny. U believe in such just because somebody who`s so human say so. You’re no difference to us. Both of us believe in a supernatural information being passed through people. The difference? We are comfortable to what we believe as matter of fact it has made our lives better while you, well i dunno if you are comfortable considering yourself a plankton. Its not a problem to me if you yourself evolved from fish-food. :-)


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letmebecalm · 13 years ago

God is not a separate entity, rain. God is inside of you rain at the same time outside of you.

God is the universe. God is the infinite possibilities that. God is 1,2 and 3.

God is the universe as one. Everything is connected and all things are one and the same.

God is duality.
male female, science religion, etc.

God is mind, body and spirit.


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Rain · 13 years ago

Abuzalzal, eto naman ang itinuturo ng Simbahang Katolika sa mga Muslims:

“The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.

” – Catechism of the Catholic Church, Article 9, 841

O diba, atacke ka ng atacke pero wala kanamang alam actually. You’d rather gobble anti-catholic urban legends masquerading as facts.


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Rain · 13 years ago

Hay abuzalzal, you or for any scientists for that matter could NOT even prove that a simple water organism evolve into a a complex organism would have the audacity to poke fun at the “mythical” beliefs of christians. Please siino ngayon ang may superioty complex?

Haha. Only christians are saved? This really HIGHLIGHTS your ignorance and prejudice. That is NOT what the Catechism of Catholic Churches teaches:

Article 9, 839

“The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as ‘a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.’


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Felizardo Castillo · 13 years ago

Bible Contradictions (?) Answered.

http://bibleinsight.blog.com/


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Felizardo Castillo · 13 years ago

Bible Contradictions (?) Answered.


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kahabaghabag_tayo · 13 years ago

Nakakaawa tayong lahat,pinagtataluhan natin ang mga bagay na wala tayong lubos at sapat na kaalaman.

Salamat sa Diyos dahil may mga ilan na pinagkalooban Niya ng pananampalataya.
Anong palad na mga taong iyon.

Kaawaan naman sana ng Diyos ang lahat ng hindi nakakaunawa pero inaakalang matalino at marami silang nalalaman, tama marami nga silang nalalaman tungkol sa mundong ito, pero ang lahat ng iyon ay walang silbi sa paningin ng Diyos.

btw,
Masasaliksik lang natin ang nilalaman ng Bible gayundin yung lahat ng Words ni God, by Spirit, at hindi sa sarili nating kaalaman o kakayahan.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Devout (brainwashed) Christians will simply deny everything Science tells them…that’s what they are,that’s their nature and that’s what they are PROGRAMMED to do trololololololol tanggapin na natin walang mananalo sa debate na ‘to

All hail king Jeebuz and his Magical faja again!


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crash · 13 years ago

At least I’d die believing in God rather than to have believed in nothing..

I’m not against science nor deny any of their studies as they have proven quite a lot already.

What they are missing though are those that they can’t explain and those they think are fictitious.

You are the one brainwashed by science which only believes things which have been proven true by instruments.

also, is it not fun to think that after we die, we go to some place really amazing? Well, not for you i guess.
you’d just rot in your own grave with your mind still intact.

you dont believe in your own existence and all of these are all just a figment of someone’s imagination.


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voltes5 · 13 years ago

Never thought that this discussion would blow up so fast. While I stand by my ground (that is, all religions are man made), i don’t have a problem with religious people. The problem I have is with religion itself. It gives people superiority complex – the “I am right, others are wrong” syndrome.

Honestly, this argument is going nowhere. There is absolutely no way you can prove or disprove a deity. But the way Gods are presented in many holy books is very improbable. Highly unlikely. Ever wonder why these so called gods highly mirrors the society in which they were created? Well, it is because these religions/gods are all man made. To control the masses and ignorants.

While I am an atheist towards religion, i don’t display the same prejudice as other atheists. I simple do not care as long as you don’t meddle with my beliefs. Just keep your beliefs to yourself and you will have no problem with me.

Just live your life as best you could. Do kind things, spread good influence and just be a good person overall. People do not need a heaven to do kind things. If I influence people in a good way, that is heaven enough for me. Contrary to religious minds, religions do not have exclusivity when it comes to morality.


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Penguini · 13 years ago

I think belief has nothing to do about having a superiority complex. A person’s character is what dictates his attitude. Pushing one’s own belief down the throat of a stranger is not exclusive to religion. A quick look on the discussions in this forum is a great example.


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Wakman · 13 years ago

Ang dami nang naglabasan nito sa net at lahat naman ay nasagot na


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bulastog · 13 years ago

@abuzalzal paano mo nasabi na galing ang tao “simply came from a water-born organism evolved into a more complex animal.” ? Sige nga bigyan mo ako ng example na change of kinds na sinasabi mo na theory of evolution? For sure wala kang maibibigay na example kasi maski yung mga scientist wala silang maipakita na example.

Ang tawag sa sinasabi mo na “simply came from a water-born organism evolved into a more complex animal.” FAITH yun.


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crash · 13 years ago

cavepeople..how they learned their languages i dont know. May chinese cavepeople ba? baka alien tayo. arrrghhghg..too much to think about.


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mandacraze · 13 years ago

Awesome Crash! Babylon tower eh? Some things are not for humans to understand. Thats the truth.


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mandacraze · 13 years ago

Honestly this argument is going nowhere. Yup there are three sides of the story. Sadly no one is actually 100% truth. Agnostics and Aetheists in my experience can’t really understand the other side; that’s why they’re called so. This conversation actually is going nowhere. This life is crap. Those knowledge, fame, power, money and intimacy is nothing because we all will die at the end of the die unless we are on a great and noble purpose. And we Christians see it in the Bible.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Continuing with the twisted Christian logic…

1. Non-believers of the Christian faith will perish in the final judgement = Whoa, wala palang ligtas ang mga Muslim at Buddhists!

2. ..that Satan is real, and there is indeed a lake of fire aka HELL as a place to punish the sinners = Meron palang ”nerve-endings” ang mga kaluluwa para makaramdam ng sakit bwehehehehehe


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voltes5 · 13 years ago

Never thought you were an atheist too mr.abuzalzal. I agree with all your points but your delivery is somewhat harsh. True, but harsh. lol. But then again, truth hurts and ignorance is bliss..

The thing that bothers me about this whole issue is that i can never prove my point to close minded religious minds. They will die thinking they are right – thinking “seeya in hell”. When I die, i could never say “Ha!I told you so!” – because to me this life is all i ever get.

I don’t know about you, but i would never subscribe to an almighty deity that will burn you in fire – not for 1 day, a week , but for all ETERNITY! Imagine burning in fire for 5 seconds – that’s nothing. But keep in mind, he is all merciful and loving, what???

That is the genius of the bible. It adheres to our ignorance and fear of the unknown – and that is death.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Yup, that sums it up..Ignorance is bliss indeed, they would rather believe in magic and sorcery

BTW, deity worship was an evolution within itself. Deity worship is ”just” a more sophisticated/complex form of Sun worship, this time with Holywood plots and post-Apocraplyptic doomsday bullshit lol

really have no clue on why modern people would believe in these fcking wives’ tale….


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crash · 13 years ago

And that goes to you too..Ignorance is bliss..You do not believe because you are open to such..and only believe in science which cannot even prove everything that is beyond their capacity.


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Digest · 13 years ago

Kaya pala ganyan pag iisip ni abuzalzal. That’s why. Labas ka naman ng bahay mo. lol


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Rain · 13 years ago

@letmebecalm the priests sex scandal is so old news. Yawn. If you have evidence at hand that priest rape children, go to the Supreme Court and file a case. That is the right way rather than rant and accuse priest based on a news story. Well, why don’t you hammer also the Boys Scouts of America and Jerry Sandusky of the Penn State football. Oh so by your LOGIC, I guess you won’t let your children attend boys scout camping or play football because of the scandals. YAWWNNNNN…


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letmebecalm · 13 years ago

Hehe news which are evidences that you over looked. Bible was written by humans for humans. Your god has nothing to do with it.


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crash · 13 years ago

shun the non-belivers! lol

as they say “there are 3 sides to every story. Yours, theirs, and the truth”..and probably the people who don’t really care..

Stories depend on the viewpoints of people and how they interpret the truth.


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Rain · 13 years ago

Wow. When nothing else to hammer on, it all goes back to the priest’s sex scandals. But I guess the sex scandals hounding the Boys Scout of America, Penn State American Football and some other religious sects wouldn’t matter for the “thinkers”.

IF a group of atheists scientists working at a reputable organization abused teen boys, should we therefore conclude that scientists are abusive as per the “LOGIC” of these “thinkers” who always demean the whole of the Catholic Church by the horrific acts of some?


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Rain · 13 years ago

Abuzalzal anu naman masama kung a tragedy is a blessing in disguise if a person has that perspective compared to someone who can’t cope one and end his life? Eh ikaw kaya mo yun?


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crash · 13 years ago

ano yun?


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

THE CHRISTIAN LOGIC

1. Something good/fortunate happened to them = God’s blessing

2. Something bad/tragic happened = God’s plan/blessing in disguise

Really? Can’t you Christian nutjobs believe in perseverance?

Yung mga nangyayari sa ating buhay, walang external forces (ie GOD) na nagma-manipula ok?

Kung tinamaan ka ng malas, malas ka
Kung tinamaan ka ng swerte , swerte ka, yun lang yun LOL


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wew · 13 years ago

dahil lahat ng bagay na nangyayari ay may dahilan. for example, nakita mo bf mo na may iba kaya nakipagbreak ka.matatwag mong bad happening un,pero kung iisipin mo mas okay na nakita mo na un agad sa bf mo kaysa naman umabot sa puntong maanakan ka o kaya makasal bago mo pa malamn,dba?


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letmebecalm · 13 years ago

I agree with the maxim “As above, so below.”

and check out Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled ‘Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus’

Believers are pacified with the use of the bible while their “priests” take their 10% monthly income and some rape their children.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Finally, a SENSIBLE post!

pero teka, lagot ka kay @rain, hahanapan ka ng ebidensiya nun lol


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letmebecalm · 13 years ago

You see, albuzalzal, some of our ancestors are experts in mind control for their own benefit.

You cannot pacify “@rain” with your CAPITAL LETTERS and your exclamation points!!!!

You have to tell a story.


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wew · 13 years ago

di ko alam kung may napatunayan na na may nagrarape na pari…pero kuha ko punto mo na may nagkakasalang pari,at bilang isang catholic inaadmit ko naman un kasi lahat naman tayo ay tao lang. mabuti ang Simbahan, napapasama lang dahil sa mga nagpapatakbo nito. sabe nga sa isang movie,”the church is composed of saints and sinners”, ibig sabihin kahit matatawag natin na abanl ang mga tao ng simbahan ay tao parin cla na nagkakasala…pero ang pinakamagandang gawin ay ang magbago,may pagkakataon naman na magbago eh. tulad dati, binabatikos ang indulgence,sadya namang di maganda un kaya tinaggal na un sa simbahan.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

True or False?

The Story of Moses, Noah’s Ark, David and Goliath, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jonah Swallowed by the Whale, And Jesus’ Miracles are all byproduct of crazy Jewish imaginations (they lacked creativity btw) so they have to borrow some plot/storylines from the Persians, Egyptians and Greeks, voilah. Jewish versions, we are the original! lmao

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letmebecalm · 13 years ago

Its a work of art full of symbolism – a literature based on sacred ancient knowledge. :)


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

Which , didn’t happen of course, I mean, the authenticity of the stories :-)


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letmebecalm · 13 years ago

Basically, we translated the bible using the language we have now. It is therefore limited and will create confusion. Some words in English, you can’t find words in Tagalog. So you invent one, but losing the whole idea of that word. :)

Let it be known that I do not know it all. These are just my understandings of the understandings of some persons.


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Rain · 13 years ago

Wow abuzalzal. Just wow. Story of Moses, Jonah et all are incredible but the story of a water borne organism evolving into a human that can rationalize or that can invent the iMac is even more ASTOUNDING! So I guess some acanthamoeba floating in the pacific might evolve into a cuddly baby somewhere in a remote island Fiji and breed intellectuals. Now that is more believeable I guess.


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crash · 13 years ago

evolution does not happen overnight..organisms merely adapt to its environment..

malay mo in the future, if magbago talaga ang world due to climate change maging mutant na tayo..tas mga isda maging dinasaars ulit


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

LOL chill mga cultists, Hindi ko kokontrahin paniniwala ninyo kung bababa ang Diyos at maghuhukom sa sanlibutan.

We both Cannot present empirical evidences, but the likelihood of an evolution happening is 1000000000 times MORE REALISTIC than your bullshit MAGIC creationism belief

lmao, shabu pa. Praise Jeebuz and his Magical father


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Ryan · 13 years ago

If the theory of evolution is correct… why di ka pa ng evolved?

If your scientist are so good. but until now nde pa cla makahanap ng cure/vaccine sa simpleng sipon?

God is a spirit. and His words can only be understand by our spirit. So we cant read the bible like reading a novel. Say to me that your already contented on your life. Yung totoo ah… bec. that empty hole in your life can only be fillef by God.


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crash · 13 years ago

@ryana

you just don’t tell people like abuzalzal about God completing their lives or whatever as he won’t simply understand you. Definitely he will fall on deaf ears. He needs proof as what science needs.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

You still havent answered my question @rain

Was the SHAPE of the modern human skull the same as it was 2 million years ago?

ANSWER ME


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mang kan0r · 13 years ago

Hello, is it me you’re looking for? I can see it in your eyes. I can see it in your smile. You’re all I’ve ever wanted, and my arms are open wide
‘Cause you know just what to say And you know just what to do And I want to tell you so much, I love you… jill rose


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Rain · 13 years ago

There you go abuzalzal. If scientists cannot duplicate what happened millions of years ago to PROVE that we evolved from a water-born organism, then by your own criteria, your belief is a MYTH. Hahaha


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crash · 13 years ago

as his brain is


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Rain · 13 years ago

@abuzalzal

Basically you are just spouting off your opinion. If you want to dispute the Bible, do it in a scientific away – through research from credible scholars and not from urban legends.

So what is that TOOL and TECHNOLOGY that will demonstrate that we came from a water-borne organism? Can you duplicate what happened millions of years ago and present it then as SOLID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

You sounded like you need a solid photographic evidence lol. Well unless, man can invent a time machine. Sorry to disappoint you. GOOGLE is your friend buddy, I’m not going to copy-paste all of my arguments here (which you WON’T believe anyways)…mas papaniwalaan mo Bibliya, tama ba ako?

Even if Scientists cannot support their claim by presenting photographic, empirical evidences, Your belief is *STILL* a million times more flawed than theirs…There’s no place for a Hebrew Mythology in the modern world.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

@rain

Christianity is a byproduct of the Jewish people’s megalomaniac and narcissistic mentalities, hence the GOD that was being described in the Bible reflects their attitudes and attributes, they have a massive superiority complex, they took no shame of ripping-off other God-Son-Resurrection stories by incorporatiing it in their own. Why is it soo hard for you to understand it?

I will say this again and again, the Scientists are a million times more CREDIBLE than those tent-dwelling nutjobs (like YOU) who wrote the bible…Scientists have TOOLS and TECHNOLOGY to support their claim, what does you Jew authors offer? Oh I see, God himself talked to them HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA so in that case, they are most likely to be more believable.

Christianity is a money-making whackjob of a corporation.


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Rain · 13 years ago

So abuzalzal, how do you even know that these scientists are even credible? Did you yourself test their scientifc findings to be able to conclude that their experiments were indeed true? Don’t you think FAITH is required to even conclude that these scientists are credible? Uness you experimented their research and proved it to be credible, then you are limited only to having FAITH on them.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

First Off, they (the Scientists) are trying to point out that MAN wasn’t created out of Sorcery and Magic, kasi dun ka naniniwala eh, sa fairytale

Creationism = Fairytale

Get some SANITY please, you need one


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crash · 13 years ago

physical reality is only limited to what can be scientifically measured..”It does not include the nonphysical world.” There are many things in this world though that science cannot simply explain that they consider it as not real or fake or even trying to cover it with another truth..like abobozalzal’s brain for instance..

abobozalzal’s brain=fairytale

kulang lang sa open mindedness kasi si abobozalzal kaya limitado rin pag-iisip niya..


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Rain · 13 years ago

Abuzalzal, where is the sanity in believing that a water-borne organism evolved into a mammal then a dinosaur then into a monkey then into a human that can rationalize, WITHOUT SOLID SCIENTIFIC PROOF? Last check, monkeys are still dwelling in trees or cages.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

I have a question for you @rain

Was the SHAPE of the modern human skull the same as it was 2 million years ago?

ANSWER ME

last time I checked, it resembles the shape of an Ape’s skull….Oh baka hanapan mo na naman ako ng ebidensiya niyan ha


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wew · 13 years ago

@abuzalzal we dont need evidences to prove something, all we need to do is have faith. ngaun kung may napatunayan ang science edi ganun,tatanggapin namin un eh kaso di pa naman napapatunayan ng science na nanggaling sa unggoy ang mga tao. ikaw na nagsabi, na kahugis ng bungo ng tao dati ang sa unggoy.kahugis lang naman,di naman ibig sabihin nun unggoy na rin mga tao dati. tska bakit may mga unggoy parin?anu un pili ang mga mageevolve at hindi?sa huli nasa sa tao na yan kung anu ang paniniwalaan mo…parang magasawa lang naman yan eh pag tinanong ka kung nambababae ba ang asawa mo xempre sasabihin mo hinde kahit di mo pa talaga napapatunayan dahil nga may tiwala ka sa kanya


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iLife · 13 years ago

The bible doesnt condtradict itself, your interpretation does
Di nyo kayang ilagay sa limited na utak ng tao ang lahat ng knowledge about God, kaya siguro di nyo maintindihan
God is the giver of life, i think he has the right to take it if He wants to
Jesus loves us, He died to save us from the consequence of our sins
Sayang naman kung di mo tatanggapin, Sana ma enjoy natin lahat
Bakit di natin subukan? Contented? Happy? But theres a space in our hearts that only God can fill
Peace :)


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Rain · 13 years ago

@abuzalzal. Wow so astounding to claim that Vatican officials are the biggest crooks on earth! So SUE THEM and present your evidences in court. Have you heard of ENRON or Ponzi or Bernie Madoff? If the Vatican is corrupt, then it should have been non-existent CENTURIES AGO. Why pounced ONLY the Vatican? Funny how the “intelligent” people always bring up the sex scandal as if it is exclusive to the Catholic. Church. Why don’t you poke your nose and rant on the other religious sects which has scandals greater than the Vatican but only gain minimum media mileage?

*In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] Dale Neal, “Methodist Clergy Instructed in Sexual Ethics at Conference,” Asheville Citizen-Times, May 14, 2002, p. 1B.

* Rabbi Joel Meyers, executive vice president of the Conservative Rabbinical Assembly, reports that 30 percent of rabbis who changed positions in 2000 did so involuntarily, and that sexual abuse was a factor in many instances.[xxiv] The Awareness Center devotes an entire website to “Clergy Abuse: Rabbis, Cantors & Other Trusted Officials.” It is a detailed and frank look at the problem of sexual abuse by rabbis.[xxv]

[xxiv] Roger Lovette, “Religious Leaders Must Learn to Handle Conflict Constructively,”Birmingham News, April 28, 2002.
[xxv] See http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.

Or the Boys Scouts of America or teachers :

The American Medical Association found in 1986 that one in four girls, and one in eight boys, are sexually abused in or out of school before the age of 18. Two years later, a study included in The Handbook on Sexual Abuse of Children, reported that one in four girls, and one in six boys, is sexually abused by age 18 -Michael Dobie, “Violation of Trust,” Newsday, June 9, 2002, p. C25.

Just because horrific acts were committed by some members of the Church do not change or alter the identity of the Church herself, just as a bunch of kids wrongly adding numbers doesn’t change the truthful equation. Corona was corrupt BUT it does not diminish the importance of the Supreme Court.

The Horus parralel is manure or for any other deity. Where are the followers of these so-called deities now? Are there churches for Horus or Mithras being built today?

Nobody knows if the Bible is authentic? So is that a SCIENTIFIC CLAIM or just an opinion? Have you ever heard of biblical scholars and historians who are even agnostics and non-believers but acknowledges the historicity and authencity of the Bible? Hello Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou.

If we simply came from a water-born organism to evolve into a complex animal, WHERE IS THE SOLID SCIENTIFIC PROOF? Has there been any scientists who were able to PRESENT and DEMONSTRATE it as fact besides postulating a THEORY?

@enlightened1 just because there are “millions of religion” out there claiming to be the “true one” DOES NOT diminish the fact. Just as there are many scientific organizations established by physicians all around the country does not diminishes the importance of the Philippine Medical Association.


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enlightened1 · 13 years ago

@rain, communism is not the same as atheism. Please bear that in mind. And, your choice of words such as ‘parasite’ sounds unchristian to me.


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enlightened1 · 13 years ago

the earth was flat until magellan circumnavigate it.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

If God really knew what he was saying or doing, why would he tell his people that the earth is flat instead of ”circle/round”?

Daniel 4:11 “The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH” (How could one tree be seen by all the Earth if they knew the Earth was round.)

Isaiah 40:22 “”He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” (How could the “heavens” be spread out over the Earth like a tent if they believe it’s a sphere? They believe the sky literally came down and touched the edges of the Earth.)

Job 38:44 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?” (If they thought the Earth was a sphere, wouldn’t they say “around it”… not “across it”?)

Job 38:13 “That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?” (How can you “take hold of the ends”…of a sphere?)

Job 38:15 “The earth takes shape like clay under a seal.” (Clay when stamped under a seal is flattened and round in shape)

They could only believe what they saw. If you didn’t know better, and you were standing in the middle of a desert where you could see the horizon all around you, it would appear that you are standing in the middle of a large circle. That’s what they thought.

Yeah, God told them that the earth was FLAT ayt!


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

CHRISTIANITY is a HUUUUUGE LIE

The God-Son-Virgin Birth-12 Apostles thingy existed many many years even before the Hebrew God that was mentioned in the Bible , Nauna po ang story ni Horus (Egypt) at Mithras (Persia) bago si Jesus (Israel)…hence, isa pong ”rip-off/blatant copy” or Pirated yung istorya ng Kristianismo…Christianity is a CRAZY fairytale concept made to control/influence and manipulate people. Ever wonder kung bakit may 10 percent ikapo at offerings (which doesn’t make any effing sense?)

The VATICAN Officials are the world’s biggest crooks or kawatans, they are the most corrupt people in the world wolf in sheep’s clothing ika nga, countless scandals have been recorded throughout history, some are well-documented, some were dismissed/covered-up like a corpse hidden under the basement.

All of the Stories in the Bible are flat out ridiculous and ill-paced, no different from Greek mythology or other cannabis-inspired fairytale stories like Joseph Smith (Mormonism) or L . Ron Hubbard’s Scientology. Man was NEVER conceived out of magic just like what was depicted in Exodus, God NEVER created the universe.We simply came from a water-born organism evolved into a more complex animal.


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abdulJakulSalsalani · 13 years ago

so abuSALSAL pag nagka problema ka ng mabigat wag ka magdadasal at hihingi ng tulong sa taas ha :)solohin mo na lang . hahahahha


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bulastog · 13 years ago

paano mo nasabi na galing ang tao “simply came from a water-born organism evolved into a more complex animal.” ? Sige nga bigyan mo ako ng example na change of kinds na sinasabi mo na theory of evolution? For sure wala kang maibibigay na example kasi maski yung mga scientist wala silang maipakita na example.

Ang tawag sa sinasabi mo na “simply came from a water-born organism evolved into a more complex animal.” FAITH yun.


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Rain · 13 years ago

And just because God “commanded” these atrocities made you agnostic? Well, why don’t you pour your brains on the HORRORS of Hitler”s Holocaust, Mao Ze dong’s Cultural revolution and Pol Pot’s Killing Fields if it can revert you back to being a christian?


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Rain · 13 years ago

May I ask who do they get their info from to drive this Jesus-is-fiction crap? If you want HISTORY, you go to the real deal: academics and history scholars.

Basing from HISTORICAL, NON-christian resources, a man named Jesus has been mentioned by the ff:

Indeed the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century JEWISH HISTORIAN

“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he wrought surprising feats. He was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared, restored to life. And the tribe of Christians has not disappeared.”

– Josephus, Antiquities 18.63-64, cited in Yamauchi, “Jesus Outside the New Testament”, 212.

Tacitus, writing around A.D. 116 in his Annals 15.44 – probably the most important reference to Jesus outside the New Testament. Reporting on Emperor Nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

“Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. CHRISTUS, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…”

Next important source of historical evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan’s advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:

“They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to CHRIST, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food–but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.{10}
– Pliny, Letters, transl. by William Melmoth, rev. by W.M.L. Hutchinson (Cambridge: Harvard Univ. Press, 1935), vol. II, X:96, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 199.

Even in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500, there were a few clear references to Jesus:

“On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”

– The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.

And please to the Bible-is-just-fairytalebook smarter than thou joes, why don’t you contradict the TRUE historians and scholars which acknowledges its authencity. Historical details are found in the Gospels and the other books of the New Testament. These include numerous mentions of secular rulers and leaders (Caesar Augustus, Pontius Pilate, Herod, Felix, Archelaus, Agrippa, Gallio), as well as Jewish leaders (Caiaphas, Ananias)—the sort of names unlikely to be used inaccurately or even to show up in a “myth.”


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Benchmark · 13 years ago

I rarely read the Bible, but I have good strong faith in Catholic church. Thanks for this info. :-)

Sa akin lang, a strong faith, and respect lang naman, plus being a good or batter person is important.

Sabi nga nila, what we understand sa bible is just the tip of the iceberg…and still alot of lessons, life changing, meaning na we can uncover in it.


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enlightened1 · 13 years ago

Whether Jesus existed or not, it has no bearing to the issue of existence or non-existence of god.

There are thousands if not millions of religions out there that it would be presumptuous to claim that the religion to which you belong is the true one.

Again, take time to read other books, take time to study different religions, and take time to contemplate.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

YOU cannot use the Bible as a reference to your argument to support your claim!!!

Because NOBODY knows if the Bible is really authentic (it happened as it was depicted) and fully accurate

it’s like defending yourself in the court of law just by using hearsays and shady eyewitness accounts LMAO

get a life nutjob!


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Rain · 13 years ago

@abuzalzal. Wow so astounding to claim that Vatican officials are the biggest crooks on earth! So SUE THEM and present your evidences in court. Have you heard of ENRON or Ponzi or Bernie Madoff? If the Vatican is corrupt, then it should have been non-existent CENTURIES AGO.

The Horus parralel is manure!

If we simply came from a water-born organism to evolve into a complex animal, WHERE IS THE SOLID SCIENTIFIC PROOF? Has there been any scientists who were able to PRESENT and DEMONSTRATE it as fact besides postulating a THEORY?


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

May I ask you rain, sino ang mas papaniwalaan mo, yung mga Hudyo na nagpapastol ng tupa na nagsulat ng bibliya o yung mga siyentipiko???

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crash · 13 years ago

“the way the people, especially in the Western world, look at the nature of reality, which is based almost solely on what science regards as real, has long been in need of some rethinking, if not revision…
The main problem with mainstream scientific method is that its assumptions are true or correct only as it pertains to physical reality. It does not include the nonphysical world. That is its main limitation.”

aaaaannnnddd…

http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/28091/was-there-a-real-jesus-who-lived-on-earth

The Bible does not contain all truth though as “the
Orthodox Church obviously did not want the faithful to know.”


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nameless · 13 years ago

“May I ask you rain, sino ang mas papaniwalaan mo, yung mga Hudyo na nagpapastol ng tupa na nagsulat ng bibliya o yung mga siyentipiko???

ANSWER ME”

I smell someone’s ignorance. Just because you learned something and has made full of your small brain, means you already know everything.

Bible authors are not all shepherds. There’s King, Judges, Prophets, former prince of egypt, physician, etc. They even know more than what you know without google :D

I pity you.


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enlightened1 · 13 years ago

Try to read books about Science and Philosophy and you’ll see that you cannot prove nor disprove the existence of what you call god/diety/force.

As to the christian concept of god, or to any anthropomorphized concept for that matter, it is very obvious to the ‘matured’ mind that these notions of god are just implausible.

So instead of debating the existence of a being believed to have created the universe, read science and philosophy. Because the more we gain knowledge, the more we become humble.

Thanks and peace be with you.


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raymundo · 13 years ago

Exactly, as posted by voltes5

I am atheists towards the Gods referred to in our countless man-made holy books. I don’t believe in them. I’m 100% they are all man made.

I am agnostic towards the issue of creator of the universe. We can’t say for sure whether there is one. No one knows. I’m agnostic about it.


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Phillip · 13 years ago

Don’t focus too much on the details, else you’ll miss the big picture.

It’s like students complaining too much on the typo errors and on the little details they doubt on a text book written by a professor of a subject in college. You think, how can you rely on learning from school and these people who even commit typo or grammatical errors? After graduating and began to have jobs, they realized it’s not the textbooks they mainly gained knowledge and skills from, but from the experience and training they underwent during college that built their characters and confidence. Then you remember how that single small error on the textbook EVEN made you doubt the whole idea of education. :)


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Faith in Jesus · 13 years ago

No one can rationalize or understand how the world was created. That for me is already enough reason to say that there’s a powerful Creator called God.

If you still don’t believe that there’s God. Think about demons, there have been lot of cases that have proven demons exist. Demons are mentioned in the Bible. The reason why this supernatural entity exist is beyond our understanding.

So face the fact that not all things can be explained and understood. There will always be something that is beyond us. The only important thing that we can do for this is to have hope and faith in Jesus Christ our Saviour.


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elie · 13 years ago

mapagpaimbabaw! nagbabasa ka ng bible? bakit mangmang ka pa din? alam mo sabi ng bible sa katulad mong nagmamarunong at nagaaring ganap at nagmamatuwid sa sarili at sa paningin ng tao?

Luke 16:15 Kayo’ng nangagaaring-ganap sa inyong sarili sa paningin ng mga tao; datapuwa’t nakikilala ng Dios ang inyong mga puso;

Psalm 14:1 Ang mangmang ay nagsabi sa kaniyang puso, walang Dios: sila’y nangapapahamak, sila’y nagsigawa ng kasuklamsuklam na mga gawa; walang gumagawa ng mabuti

John 8:47 Ang sa Dios ay nakikinig ng mga salita ng Dios: dahil dito’y hindi ninyo dinirinig, sapagka’t kayo’y hindi sa Dios.

John 8:44 Kayo’y sa inyong amang diablo, at ang mga nais ng inyong ama ang ibig ninyong gawin. Siya’y isang mamamatay-tao buhat pa nang una, at hindi nananatili sa katotohanan, sapagka’t walang katotohanan sa kaniya. Pagka nagsasalita siya ng kasinungalingan, ay nagsasalita siya ng sa ganang kaniya: sapagka’t siya’y isang sinungaling, at ama nito.


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Faith in Jesus · 13 years ago

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

2 Corinthians 6:14

Hinay hinay lang po sa words.


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nameless · 13 years ago

Even the Devil could cite verses from the Scriptures. He even uses it to tempt God (e.g. Matt. 4:6).

Bottom line? It isn’t all about the letters.


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ProudCatholic · 13 years ago

God helped the authors or writer of the Bible.


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voltes5 · 13 years ago

The history of the creation of the Bible is sketchy at best. Lots of weird rules here and there – not to mention authorized genocides too. There are already lots of documents debunking stories of the Bible yet people still believe in it. And believe it or not, the story of Jesus is just an altered version of many different myths present different cultures – see Odysseus, Horus.

I am not quick to judge but if religion and the belief in God helps you in any way, then good for you. My problem is when religion gives prejudice to those not sharing the same faith.

Disclaimer: I don’t really want to start a faith war. Please no insulting. Discuss in a civilized manner.


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nameless · 13 years ago

Yes. It seems sketchy, so with Big Bang, Evolution and the other theories atheist stick with.

Yes. There may be stories debunked from the Bible, but how about those stuffs that agree with science long before known scientists discovered it?

I agree with you that it’s really problematic when a certain religion/sect gives prejudice to those who are not sharing the same beliefs. But regardless of their beliefs, it doesn’t disregard the fact that there is really a Supreme being.

Being an “Agnostic” why not try Pascal’s Wager Principle?

“Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.”


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Phillip · 13 years ago

You don’t take the Bible too literally. It is not a children’s story book nor a mobile phone manual. You don’t judge whether a “person” or “being” is worth knowing just because of some specific texts that can be easily subjectively interpreted.
That’s why you don’t stop with the Bible. You need people and circumstances to understand it. It’s like 100% theoretical without application. Through experience, you’d understand. When you get to that point where you think you have everything (money, success, etc).. a point where everyone is aiming to reach, as early as we are capable of dreaming.. only to realize it’s empty on top. And there’s this longing planted deep within us that nothing can ever fill but a personal relationship with Him. Only then will you understand what it is all about.


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voltes5 · 13 years ago

I might be flamed for this but I am a proud Agnostic/Atheist – whatever you wanna call it. Raised by a strictly religious parents – they made me read the bible everyday until i finish it. Ironically, that is what made me an agnostic. Reading all the atrocities in the Bible really made me doubt if this book was written by an almighty being at all. Alas, the power of the internet – it opened my eyes to the real truth – and that is “nobody really knows”. All these stories are all made up.

I really tried though. I really wanted to believe that an all powerful being is watching our every move, every decision, and will lead us to salvation. But upon closer observation of evidence, or lack thereof – i came to the conclusion that “no one can actually tell whether or not a supreme deity exists”..just my 2 cents.


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same here · 13 years ago

AMEN to that! I share the same sentiments…


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Phillip · 13 years ago

You can’t believe what you don’t understand. Reading the bible countless times doesn’t mean you understand it. Being raised by religious parents doesn’t follow that automatically know Him.


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voltes5 · 13 years ago

Never thought this discussion would blow up so fast. And thanks for not resorting to insults and name calling. I really can’t have a civilized discussion with my friends and families for the same reason. Once you’ve told them that you are an agnostic/atheist, they would automatically assume you are the worst. Most resort to name calling and insult – even once called a devil’s advocate.

As I’ve said before. I really wanted to believe in the “afterlife” and “it’ll all get better soon”, but logic still got the best of me. We were raised to believe in God and label anything that is un-God to us, as Devils. This is the reason why this topic is considered taboo in our culture.

I was a devout 7th Day Adventist, a militant religious person you can say. I would display prejudice to people claiming other beliefs. I know I was right, I just know. I don’t have proof, I just know. Nothing can change my beliefs – or so i thought.

After seeing the world for what it is – with violent crimes, inequality, poverty, and sufferings. How can you still believe that an almighty being is guiding us? Either there is a God that does not care or there is no God at all. I prefer the latter.

Becoming an agnostic is not an overnight change. It actually took me 5 years to accept what my mind is thinking. It all started with a simple curiosity. Just try to be openminded for once.

You know what, just live your life happily. Do good deeds, inspire others and help others as much as you can. We don’t need a heaven to do kind things. If I can inspire as many people as I can to do kind things, that is heaven enough for me.

Some of the folks below already referred to me “mangmang” lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcO4TnrskE0#t=24
If you want, you can listen to this small clip.


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tadaa · 13 years ago

atheists and agnostics are different from each other. atheists totally don’t believe in a supreme being, agnostics, well they need proof. i’d say you are agnostic


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voltes5 · 13 years ago

@tadaa yes. Agnostics and atheists are different, true.

I am atheists towards the Gods referred to in our countless man-made holy books. I don’t believe in them. I’m 100% they are all man made.

I am agnostic towards the issue of creator of the universe. We can’t say for sure whether there is one. No one knows. I’m agnostic about it.


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abuzalzal · 13 years ago

I FULLY AGREE Voltes5

and Also….

1. The God that was mentioned in the Bible is a JEALOUS and INSECURE GOD (3 of the 10 Commandments were put to waste and share the same meaning w/c is ”WORSHIP ME, ME ME ME)

2. It turns out that he is not a Loving God after all, but rather a mass murderer…a cruel God. He killed people like insects in Noah’s Ark Story and Parting Of The Red Sea story

3. Why do these miracles happened only in ISRAEL and other neighboring countries??? It seemed like God didn’t care for the Chinese (Who were FAAAAR MORE ADVANCED THAN THE ISRAELITES) and the Africans back in the day lol

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llife · 13 years ago

The bible doesnt condtradict itself, your interpretation does
Di nyo kayang ilagay sa limited na utak ng tao ang lahat ng knowledge about God, kaya siguro di nyo maintindihan
God is the giver of life, i think he has the right to take it if He wants to
Jesus loves us, He died to save us from the consequence of our sins
Sayang naman kung di mo tatanggapin, Sana ma enjoy natin lahat
Bakit di natin subukan? Contented? Happy? But theres a space in our hearts that only God can fill
Peace :)


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et · 13 years ago

Ancient Aliens …Season 6 na, nood na :)


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silent b0bjay · 13 years ago

@et nakakamiss ung bitaw ni giorgio tsoukalos na “but it was the aliens…” “therefore aliens!” w/ hand gesture pa yan


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blacklily · 13 years ago

i respect your opinion.


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