After the recent public hearing by the NTC, they’ve announced that provisions for bandwidth caps have been removed from memo. But that’s just the NTC and it’s still a draft so ISPs can still continue with their bandwidth capping provisions as stated in their service contracts and AUP.
If bandwidth capping will eventually be prohibited by NTC, service providers will most likely resort to other methods and the next best thing would be “bandwidth throttling”.
Bandwidth throttling is a technique employed in communications networks to manage network traffic and minimize congestion.
Internet service provider can use bandwidth throttling to reduce the impact of specific services or applications, such as the BitTorrent protocol, and could also potentially use it to provide preferential bandwidth access to higher priority users at peak times. {via Wikipedia}
Incidentally, I’ve been used to bandwidth throttling numerous times in the past while in other countries (especially in Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan). My connection speeds in those countries are usually very fast (up to 100Mbps) but when I’m downloading files via bittorent, the speeds significantly slows down.
Last time I remember, I can stream a 1080p YouTube HD without any problems but my torrent speed drops to just 10Kbps or less after a few minutes (happened in 3 different hotels while I was in Japan).
Copy of Innove’s Service Contract
Unlike bandwidth capping, bandwidth throttling still gives customers that “unlimited bandwidth” provision but makes hogging the network a little harder to do. It can also be selective — direct downloads, streaming and the likes would enjoy full speeds but torrents might suffer reduced speeds (Globe’s Service Contracts specifies only 20% of subscribed speed will be allocated to P2P applications).
better than capping.. kung naimplement na to sapa
sure na bibilis na mga connections. ^^
reklamo kayo ng reklamo na mabagal net sa pinas, eh di pumunta kayo sa ibang bansa imbis na sinisiraan nyo pinas! mayaman ka pala eh di umalis ka na! mga walang kwentang pinoy.
at kung problema nyo speed, tigilan nyo na kasi pagdownload ng mga ILLEGAL na torrent. stupid, ung mga nagrereklamo malamang puro torrent ng pirated lang alam gawin.
Ang dapat umalis ang mga manloloko sa bayan.
Mabilis daw e super bagal naman.
Maganda naman ang services ng ibang ISP.
Sana continues upgrade ang system nila para
wala ng issues.
Twitter: Vincent
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throttling might be fairer because it would be equally implemented to every one (depending on how it is implemented).
A fair way to implement would be to simply freeze the plan speeds being offered while upgrading the infrastructure to be able to support more consumers. No singling out p2p. Remember the speeds available to subscribers in the phils after dial up? 1000 pesos would buy you 128kbps, then later 1000 pesos would buy you 256 then 384, then 512, then 1mbps, then 2mbps, etc etc. as the ISP’s upgraded their infrastructure. If this was implemented in the past, then maybe in the present, 1000 pesos per month now would get you only 512kbps. This would stifle progress though, similiar to what would happen if CPU and GPU technological progress stagnated
and IMHO the throttling talked about in the yugatech blog is not a generalized throttling but specific, torrents only. the smart bro plug it threads are claiming that their throttle to 1mbps from 2mbps is the general type. but it is a secret throttle, its not in their ads or website
for 3g based internet torrents are slow but its AFAIK not due to throttling. Its just a side effect of 3g being a NAT’ed type of connection (i dont know exactly what that is but its kinda equivalent to the smart bro servers functioning as a huge router with maybe the whole philippines as the clients, the problem is the router is not port forwarded, its blocked)
unless it would be a generalized throttling, this would be a violation of net neutrality. It also would be a violation of the rights of people who download legitimate files via p2p like people who download linux distros and people who have games that use p2p technology to distribute the game and the patches. Yes, if you didnt know, some online games do that, even sometimes without your knowledge. While you are downloading the game/patch, your PC also connects via p2p to other PC’s so what you downloaded is shared to others. The game/patch installer itself is a p2p program . Blizzard does it AFAIK
Twitter: Vincent
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to those who are asking if the current caps in sun, globe and wi-tribe will disappear because the NTC MO is junked, you should read the text of the memo sometimes instead of relying on second hand hearsay
let me use an example to explain the situation. Imagine this were not a MO but say a law in congress. At present there is no law on the subject so the ISP’s can do what they want. A Congressman files bill to standardize the cap to 5 gigs a day but due to public outroar, the bill never gets past the comittee, much less put up to a vote. The congressman then withdraws the bill and says he is editing it and he removes the cap provision and says he will conduct public hearings and maybe in the future re-file an edited bill later. Obviously since its just a draft bill and has not been voted on by congress and signed by the president yet, the fact that the caps were removed has no effect in the real world
“to those who are asking if the current caps in sun, globe and wi-tribe will disappear because the NTC MO is junked, you should read the text of the memo sometimes instead of relying on second hand hearsay”
Sa madaling salita, there will STILL be capping. For now until (possibly) regulated by NTC or by law.
mas ok na bw throttling tapos lagyan ng peak / off peak hours
peak hours
8am – 10pm p2p cap at 20% advertised speed
off peak hours
10pm – 8am walang cap or atleast 80% advertised speed
para hindi congested kung kelan mas maraming gumagamit ng internet. sa gabi nalang mag torrent or p2p file sharing.
Sun Wireless Broadband i think is already using that Throttling. Speedtest.net says, 1.5Mbps, but my torrent downloads is limited to 5kbps.
If I’m subscribed to a 1mbps plan, isn’t my connection already throttled to 1mbps?
@brownbear. good point that other posters seem to not understand.
they keep on saying people who maximize their bandwidth are abusing their connections. nope. we are not.
I don’t get why this regulation is going on nowadays. the ads clearly say UNLIMITED.
imo, this is like cable tv. We pay for all 100+ channels but we don’t watch all of the channels at once. so what if I become a coach potato and not turn off my TV, I paid for it.
as far as I’m concerned, ISPs and the NTC should not give a d@mn of what I do with the service that I paid for. If I paid for 1 mbps speed then it would only be FAIR for me to get 1 mpbs speeds.
sana bibilis na ang torrent. hehe 2mbps lang naman smartbro ko
Twitter: phblogs
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A 30-day money-back guarantee should be imposed to all postpaid plans being provided by telcos. Most specially if the problem is within the telco’s side. I am one of the victims of the 3rd national telco in our country being the lousiest ISP ever!
NTC must monitor our ISPs quality of service regularly and they must protect us consumers with all the possible help they can provide.
if their going to use the throttling at least let it be off during off peak hours so that others can still enjoy downloading. Upgrading speeds/plans would be useless if throttling will be on all the time.
Mga putang ina ninyong reklamador. bakit pa kasi kayo nagtotorrent mga putang ina ninyo. meron naman hotfile, rapidshare saka megaupload mga ungas!
Kahit Torrent or kahit anong File Hosting Site pa yan… Ganun pa rin gumagamit ka pa rin ng bandwidth. Isipin mo muna sinasabi mo bago ka nagagalit sa mga nagto-torrent. Misconception yung sinisisi nila yung user. Ano ba binabayaran mo? di ba yung advertised SPEED. hindi naman yung Amount ng DATA. Kahit di ka naman nagto-torrent kung adik ka naman sa you tube… It is still the same… You are still using the bandwidth… THINK. Sinasabi lang nila yan to divide the users and put a blame on a demographic.
Problema sa hotfile, rapidshare, megaupload etc na ZIP file kadalasan kailangan e repair pa. Torrent files 100% guarantee fix – correct files. I’m sure You noticed it too.
Hindi ko nga nagagamit ang full 6gig limit dahil sa bagal ng ibang internet. Waste of time and electricity.
hmmm that’s the reason why the Philippines can’t go ahead to other countries. WHy? because of some Filipinos who always complain and give rude and non-sense comments.
After implementation either of the two provision, crab-mentality system awaits.
Btw, did someone say Filipinos like BAYANIHAN or CORRUPTION rather?
The Filipino infrastructure is very very poor.
Take Globe as an example – they have a single point of failure in their (misconfigured) global proxy server. So any port 80 traffic goes through (and gets logged?) their proxy server.
The worst part is that because the proxy setup they have, some pages does not work – several pages I use for work simply does not work on Globe and I have to use VPN out of Globes network to properly work.
PLDT on the other hand I have never had issues with, so I can highly recommend them over Globe.
But why are the speeds so low? I’m okay with throttling/limitations on P2P as long as the average Mbit is above 20 for a DSL – this is possible in almost every single country around the globe except here.
Twitter: Vincent
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Depending on how you define throttling, generalized throttling has been with us for some time. Remember yugatech’s unthrottled globe wimax test unit? He got > 8mbps. But actual globe wimax plans are labeled as up to 0.5 or 1 mbps.
Paurong sa pinas. When 3.5g (smart bro plug it, globe tatoo and sun bro) was released, the advertised speed was up to 2 mbps. Next to be introduced was wimax. Its supposed to be better and faster than 3.5g, but look at the plans, lower than 2mbps, unusual for a supposedly newer and better technology. Paurong talaga!
I suspect that the ISP’s realized that congestion would be a problem based on past experience with 3.5g internet so they intentionally throttled the wimax speeds so low so that they could get more subscribers and have less of the subscribers complain.
In some ways this might be fair-ER than caps or p2p throttling since it is applied to ALL subscribers
@Jay
Tangina mo, 99% of the time exacto sa MD5 checksum, magbasa ka muna kasi ng comments bago ka magdownload ulol.
Twitter: pabsjusitn
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I don’t mind throttling p2p methods of DLing.
But please, itaas naman natin ang standards ng services. I yearn for the day na mabubura na yung word na “kbps” sa mga ads ng mga isp at puro “mbps” na. (or better yet gbps? but yeah dream on. hehe)
Twitter: iAmMrHands
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When that happens, we’ll know.
http://www.measurementlab.net/
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Huwag nang magreklamo kung puro illegal softwares at movies lang naman idownload. Dapat nga ikulong kayo sa ginagawa niyong pamimirata eh.
Maganda dun sa China. Kulong lang ng kulong. Punta ka dun. Pag may consent hindi illegal. Hindi lahat illegal.
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