Bandwidth Caps out; Is Throttling next?

mga gahaman

LOL @brownspank. I really agree. Lately, my ISP is really crap. I cannot even view a webpage properly without hitting the refresh button.

until the various isp’s remove the word “unlimited” from their campaign ads, there is no such thing as network abuse by the customers.

Instead of hearings, per se, the NTC should just call for a conference/workshop of stakeholders in this issue. That way, everyone will sit as peers on the table and hammer out a deal or policy that is a win-win for everyone.

Then how are we supposed to download LARGE stuff?

What I hate about these proceedings is not that they’re trying to control our use of the internet, but that they charge so much yet give us so little.

A $50 internet subscription in the US will easily, easily, give you more than 10MBits with zero hassle.

I pay PHP1995 for PLDT and I get, if I’m lucky, 2MBit, with possible throttling and caps? I should be paying 1/5 the price for that speed.

Capping or throttling or not, our speeds are still massively sub par and our costs are exorbitant. There should be no reason for this sort of control over such measly provisions.

Capping and now throttling. I hate to say this but this really makes the PH left behind as a crap compare to other countries.

Just like choosing the lesser evil?

Just as I said before, the only people that will be really affected by throttling are those using BT protocol for transferring legit files or something as part of what they do. Please do not use downloading or illegally distributing files as a justification. It never is and never will be. If we need the government or the telecoms to act on it, please justify the need in other ways. (I remember back in the days we are paying PHP 2k for a speed of 10 kbytes/s thus I am not exactly complaining with what we have now.)

Ok lng un throttling,para mabawasan ung mga abusadong tao mapagsamantala..kung magDDL lng kau ng movie,pwede naman kau bumili ng dvd sa quiapo..tapos magrereklamo kau pag mabagal DL nio..kamote naman talga..bkit ang mga taong nasanay sa illegal,pag sinita sila pa ang galit..aysus..gumastos naman kau ng konti..puro kau reklamo..wag kau magpakabit ng internet kung puro kau reklamo..para di na congested..wahaha

just hoping for the LTE’s immediate launch here :)

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?title=Super-fast%20Internet%20is%20coming%E2%80%A6but%20not%20just%20yet&id=24639

@Nats hinde daw maganda quality mga nabibili sa quiapo eh. at bakit ka naman gagastos para sa illigal copy kung pwede ka naman kumuha na copy na di ka gagastos

Question: does this mean na wala ng cap yung sa globe na 800mb?

Please help po mga guru

regards,
batang Dial-Up

Definitely sucks.

off-topic:

@ tincan, it’s a matter of preference. i was able to get very good copies of concert and classic movie dvds (with correct english subtitles) in quiapo and some from my “suki” vendors in laguna. peace!

Sir Yugatech , available po ba sa bandwidth caps yung witribe.. , hirap po kasi ako sa monthly limit na 6GB

As much as it is misleading, the notion of “unlimited” had been historically about the availability of the service 24/7. It used to be “limited” to a number of hours a month. Thus, it is not limited in that regard.

However, as it stands now, we tie this word to the bandwidth being limited and it sounds confusing indeed. ISPs should remove the word “unlimited” from their advertising and marketing materials because it leads to confusion as well as frustration over the subscriber contracts which qualify in legalese to which the terminology applies.

Again, as for home use, as long as you do not illegally download movies or software 24/7 (something which one cannot use to justify the removal of bandwidth caps), you will not feel the effect of your connection bandwidth capped. If the there is a justifiable need to lose that cap, then propose them. (Personally, no matter how I think, I still can’t give one justification to undo the caps. Maybe there are those of you who really have legitimate need for it.) Ah wait… I have one. I have a Steam account but then again, I only buy a game or two a month, so I have no problems with the bandwidth limitations as of yet. I just realized that this is one applicable scenario: once centralized repositories of software distribution (Linux repositories, Apple App Store, Steam, Impulse) via the cloud becomes the norm, then there is a need to increase the cap.

Having said that, I agree with some of the commentators that beyond the capping and throttling issues, there is still a need to upgrade infrastructure and that net neutrality should be respected.

afaik, bayantel limits the speed of p2p already… which means they’re already throttling. but they lift it up after peak hours, i think. been a bayantel user for more than two years… and been very satisfied until recently… after the capping issues.. parang bumagal na sa location namin ang bayantel… and minsan unstable ang speed… :( sana bumalik na ang dati nilang service…

I semi-agree with throttling kung peak hours siguro nila i-implement. Like 7-10pm or kung ano man oras peak hours nila then for the rest of the day wala na dapat.

I think this is a fair solution dahil peak hours madami gumagamit unfair din naman sa iba na naka torrent tayo tapos mabagal gamit ng iba. Pero kung madaling araw na at ikaw na lang gumagamit, you should be able to use the subscribed speed na.

I also agree that they should upgrade their infrastructures first before demanding from their consumers. Kung tutuusin nag titiis na nga lang tayo sa slow speeds nila tapos lalagyan pa ng cap. Ano pang matitira?

@Fleeb
ISPs will resist removing the word “unlimited” because this is what draws subscribers in; it is meant to be misleading. That’s how unscrupulous they are.

Either way, when a connection is active 24/7, it is not an abuse to use it 24/7. They market it as such, so as such is how it will be used.

Again, the issue here is not about heavy users. There is no such thing. Everyone is already limited by the maximum speed their connection can achieve. The problem is that ISPs took in far too many subscribers than their networks can properly support. This is the reason why 2% of their subscriber base that maximizes the use of their paid connections bog down the network.

There are ways around the limits so this only hurts the average bittorrent user or MMO player (Blizzard uses bittorrent for patches/expansions etc.).

Get a good foreign VPN and you will never suffer these things.

i dont know if its just me but in our place (laguna with pldt), i can download @ 150kbps while seeding @ >50kbps – torrent, i can stream hd videos, online gaming is good, but plain browsing sucks! i even have to refresh it several times for the entire website to be properly displayed. while when im in cavite, with planet cable, its the other way around. dont know what the F is wrong but pldt’s service used to be great as in no problem whatsoever. im so effin disappointed!

ALL OF THIS IS A BULLSHIT! Those company sucks!

Why are they talking about throttling and capping when the ISPs are already doing both with their very poorly managed infrastructure?

sound like mag”boboom” nanaman ang mga pirated dvd.

reklamo kayo ng reklamo na mabagal net sa pinas, eh di pumunta kayo sa ibang bansa imbis na sinisiraan nyo pinas! mayaman ka pala eh di umalis ka na! mga walang kwentang pinoy.

at kung problema nyo speed, tigilan nyo na kasi pagdownload ng mga ILLEGAL na torrent. stupid, ung mga nagrereklamo malamang puro torrent ng pirated lang alam gawin.

throttling might be fairer because it would be equally implemented to every one (depending on how it is implemented).

A fair way to implement would be to simply freeze the plan speeds being offered while upgrading the infrastructure to be able to support more consumers. No singling out p2p. Remember the speeds available to subscribers in the phils after dial up? 1000 pesos would buy you 128kbps, then later 1000 pesos would buy you 256 then 384, then 512, then 1mbps, then 2mbps, etc etc. as the ISP’s upgraded their infrastructure. If this was implemented in the past, then maybe in the present, 1000 pesos per month now would get you only 512kbps. This would stifle progress though, similiar to what would happen if CPU and GPU technological progress stagnated

and IMHO the throttling talked about in the yugatech blog is not a generalized throttling but specific, torrents only. the smart bro plug it threads are claiming that their throttle to 1mbps from 2mbps is the general type. but it is a secret throttle, its not in their ads or website

for 3g based internet torrents are slow but its AFAIK not due to throttling. Its just a side effect of 3g being a NAT’ed type of connection (i dont know exactly what that is but its kinda equivalent to the smart bro servers functioning as a huge router with maybe the whole philippines as the clients, the problem is the router is not port forwarded, its blocked)

unless it would be a generalized throttling, this would be a violation of net neutrality. It also would be a violation of the rights of people who download legitimate files via p2p like people who download linux distros and people who have games that use p2p technology to distribute the game and the patches. Yes, if you didnt know, some online games do that, even sometimes without your knowledge. While you are downloading the game/patch, your PC also connects via p2p to other PC’s so what you downloaded is shared to others. The game/patch installer itself is a p2p program . Blizzard does it AFAIK

“to those who are asking if the current caps in sun, globe and wi-tribe will disappear because the NTC MO is junked, you should read the text of the memo sometimes instead of relying on second hand hearsay”

Sa madaling salita, there will STILL be capping. For now until (possibly) regulated by NTC or by law.

Sun Wireless Broadband i think is already using that Throttling. Speedtest.net says, 1.5Mbps, but my torrent downloads is limited to 5kbps.

@brownbear. good point that other posters seem to not understand.

they keep on saying people who maximize their bandwidth are abusing their connections. nope. we are not.

sana bibilis na ang torrent. hehe 2mbps lang naman smartbro ko

if their going to use the throttling at least let it be off during off peak hours so that others can still enjoy downloading. Upgrading speeds/plans would be useless if throttling will be on all the time.

Problema sa hotfile, rapidshare, megaupload etc na ZIP file kadalasan kailangan e repair pa. Torrent files 100% guarantee fix – correct files. I’m sure You noticed it too.

Hindi ko nga nagagamit ang full 6gig limit dahil sa bagal ng ibang internet. Waste of time and electricity.

The Filipino infrastructure is very very poor.

Take Globe as an example – they have a single point of failure in their (misconfigured) global proxy server. So any port 80 traffic goes through (and gets logged?) their proxy server.

The worst part is that because the proxy setup they have, some pages does not work – several pages I use for work simply does not work on Globe and I have to use VPN out of Globes network to properly work.

PLDT on the other hand I have never had issues with, so I can highly recommend them over Globe.

But why are the speeds so low? I’m okay with throttling/limitations on P2P as long as the average Mbit is above 20 for a DSL – this is possible in almost every single country around the globe except here.

@Jay

Tangina mo, 99% of the time exacto sa MD5 checksum, magbasa ka muna kasi ng comments bago ka magdownload ulol.

When that happens, we’ll know.
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-Net Neutrality Advocate-

Maganda dun sa China. Kulong lang ng kulong. Punta ka dun. Pag may consent hindi illegal. Hindi lahat illegal.

globe 2mbps kme, mas mbilis pa ang torrent ko kesa sa direct eh, 220-240 kbps dl speed ko,

ako simple lang, ibigay lang yung nararapat sa binayad ko, kung ang usapan eh ganito kabilis upload/download upon subscription, dapat yung ang ibigay. ang abuso sa paggamit eh di ko alam dahil para sa akin, alang abuso lalo na’t binabayaran mo, ang talagang abuso eh yung di mo nakukuha yung serbisyong binayaran mo.

@Nats

Sorry to say this, but you are an idiot. Ang sinasabi mo ba, bawal tayo mag reklamo? Are you even familiar with consumer rights?

So kung mabagal ang connection mo, di ka dapat magreklamo, kahit di mo nakukuha yung speed na binabayaran mo? You must be smoking the same thing those ISPs are having.

@Jon
Consumer rights? Di ko naman sinasabing bawal magreklamo.e kung puro reklamo lng ang alam mong gawin.magpagawa ka ng sariling telecom business at dun mo malalaman ang operation.masiado kang iyakin kumag..kamote ka..8===D eto sayo..

Guys i hate globe already… iv been watching you-tube for 5 hours only… ad i cant connect to the internet because of this…

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Okay n rn cguro ang bandwidth trottling bsta tamang throttling ang iimplement. Ayos lng kung ithrottle nila ang p2p downloads, pero ung s ibang aspect like streaming, browsing, games at FTP DL dpat normal speeds prin.

Atleast wla k ng cap and mggmit mo prin ng maaus ang connection mo. Hndi nga lng s torrenting.

Pero kung gusto nilang ithrottle lhat eh sobrang abuso nmn n nun.

P2P Throttling > Data Caps all day anyday