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LTO to implement RFID tags on motor vehicles




News about the Land Transportation Office (LTO) implementing RFID tagging on all motor vehicles this October has been making the rounds of the evening news today.

When I first heard about it on the car’s radio, I was surprised — wow, the LTO is going hi-tech. That should be nice. However, some sectors are blocking this move claiming privacy issues.

lto rfid

Nevertheless, from a technical point of view, I think this move by LTO offers more advantages than disadvantages.

This technology is not really new to Philippine highways. The ePass that thousands of cars use to drive thru tollways (NLEX and SLEX) is powered by RFID.

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This October 2009, the Department of Foreign Affairs will also implement RFID on all new Passports (ePassport). If you renew your old green passport, it will be replaced with a brown RFID-tagged passport.

Private schools are already using RFID in student IDs for borrowing books and also gates in the campus have RFID ID Scanners (e.g. Claret School of Quezon City and Colegio de San Juan de Letran).

The clothes that you buy in Bench and other apparel stores are also tagged with RFIDs. Those steel gates at the entrance serve as an RFID scanner.

If the same technology is used for all registered cars, it could be a convenience in so many ways:

  • Renewals of vehicle registration could be made faster/easier.
  • It could also be used to easily identify stolen vehicles.
  • All cars can be readily equipped with ePass too — the lines would be faster at the toll gates especially during peak hours. This can also be implemented in parking lots too.
  • No need to go to LTO to pay traffic violations. Your RFID could be charged directly (contactless payment) after citation — no more confiscation of driver’s license. That could practically eradicate kotong (what’s the English equivalent?) since traffic cops can no longer blackmail you into going to a 3-day driving seminar in exchange for a small tip.

RFID works like a short-distance radio signal, normally around 10 feet or 3 meters. As such, it cannot be efficiently used to track objects the way GPS can. The issue about privacy is a legitimate concern though.

I still think it’s a good move, though. From reports I’ve heard, the tags will cost motorists around Php400 a pop. I thought that’s a bit expensive since RFID tags are really cheap nowadays.



Abe is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of YugaTech. You Can follow him on Twitter @abeolandres.

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100 Responses

  1. J Rosauro says:

    only those people who have something to hide, or who are actually hiding, are against such move, just like the objections raised against a national ID system…

  2. Armi I says:

    If you dont hve something to hide, then why you will object? i’m in favor of this implementation. Much better if the trafic enforcer impost speedcam as well.

    WD LTO

  3. Dave says:

    I don’t have something to hide, but I think it’s wrong to track people (and their vehicles) like animals. I don’t want the RFID on my car, but I guess it will be shoved down my throat.

  4. Promdi says:

    Ok lang naman ang RFID kung same infos as OR/CR ng vehicle lang ang makukuha nila. It’s not like gov’t can track you down esp kung 10ft lang ang signal na maeemit nito. Dapat lang na may GPRS ang lahat ng govt vehicles para mabawasan ang pag gamit nito nang personal ng mga opisyal.

  5. deuts says:

    It’s good to hear about this issue from the expert, yugatech.

  6. Essays.ph says:

    RFID – Future mark of the beast…

    Just a tip. ^_^

  7. buzz says:

    tracking people using rfid? i dont thinks so especially that the frequency range of rfid is so short…

  8. Kimpao says:

    There’s nothing wrong with the RFID system that LTO is trying to implement. What matters is discipline on both the enforcers and the drivers. No matter how much technology you shove down into everyones throat , at the end of the day it still boils down as to how disciplined both will be on the road. Just like CCTV cameras, you get to see who’s involved, what and how it happened, kita mo na kung sino-sino ang kriminal pero, nahuhuli o hinuhuli ba? Second, hindi naman talaga yun RFID ang issue dun, the issue is why wasn’t the public consulted first, why the sudden implementation and most of all WHY this project never went into the process of public bidding? It’s so obvious that people in the LTO and Stradcom are trying to party, again.

  9. Dave says:

    You can read RFID tags from 30 feet, and up to 60 feet or so with the right equipment. Anybody can buy the readers. They’re not that expensive. Anybody can read whatever is on the RFID tags (not only the LTO). They could encrypt the data, but typically don’t, and even if they do it’s usually weak encryption.

  10. Anne says:

    I think the brown passport is different from the ePassport. I have a brown passport and the ePassport will be released this October. The ePassport is just a card not the typical passport book type.

  11. Pusang Kulog says:

    Public acceptance for RFID on vehicles will depend on what kind of information is going to be electronically stored…

    What I would want to know is the English equivalent of the word “kotong”… It shivers me to think that corruption might be so embedded on Filipino culture that we have coined an original term for it without even borrowing from other languages…

    Hay naku! He he he!

  12. Neloman says:

    Kung against carnapping ‘to, hindi b kayang-kayang tanggalin ng mga masasamang loob yung mga stickers? kaya nga sila gumagamit ng pekeng plate numbers sa mga operations nila di ba para hindi sila ma-identify? No sticker, no identification. Malalaman pa ba ng mga enforcers yun kung wala silang tags. hindi ba dapat naka-embed tong RFIDs na to kung saan di nila kayang matamper? And what if yung mga bigtime sindikato e makahack sa system nila, di ba madali para sa kanila i-track down mga victims nila. considering mukukuha nila yung make and model ng car mo. pano ko may ferrari ako (pwedeng mangarap), edi madali na nila akong masusubaybayan at tambangan. Yes, technology is a boon, but if it falls with the wrong hands, it will be a detriment.

  13. yuga says:

    Hi anne! I think the brown e-Passport will also look like this:

  14. twitter says:

    @all against…give us some example on how will this be used in bad acts?

    @kimpao… RFID is included with the LTO-IT PROJECT that went into bidding in 1997. Ngayon lang sya naimplement. accdg to the stradcom guy sa umagang kay ganda kanina

    @dave… RFID reader is expensive…FYI
    http://www.amazon.com/Intermec-IP30-Handheld-Reader-IP30A0B7014/dp/B00202VYIS/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1253761536&sr=8-8

    @neloman…its not that easy to remove.

  15. Adrian says:

    astig. parang sa singapore, ang na iba lang sa SG machine talaga ang nakalagay, para ma detect kung over speeding ka and pang bayad sa toll.

    good yung ganyan high na din ang pinas. sana walang mga epal na mag object dyan sa project na yan.

  16. karen says:

    The primary reason it seems is that they want to control colorum vehicles. well and good. what will prevent unscrupulous syndicates with connections within LTO from being able to sneak out such RFIDs? And if that is indeed the reason why make it mandatory for private vehicles? Why not limit it to PUVs.
    Carnapped cars are cannibalized for parts. Or brought to provinces where it might be just as easy to circumvent the LTO RFID. As for toll fees? Well there’s the ecard for the regular users. Why would someone who only uses toll gates once in a rare while need an rfid?

    Who are we kidding? This is just too close to campaign season, very convenient way to raise campaign funds.

  17. karen says:

    it’s not a question of can it be used for bad acts, but will it address what it seeks to address? and if it is meant for colorum busting then why are we ALL mandated (around 7 million vehicles I am told = 2.45 billion pesos) to get rfids even on private vehicles.

    There are other solutions to colorum and carnapping, and theives will just find a way to go around the rfid.

  18. manong says:

    “That could practically eradicate kotong (what’s the English equivalent?) since traffic cops can no longer blackmail you into going to a 3-day driving seminar in exchange for a small tip”

    — well i’d rather pay the small tip (P100) than pay a larger sum (P1000)+ seminar + inconvenience.. blackmail?

  19. Neloman says:

    “Kotong” is bribery right? Kaya naman naging kotong kasi pag di ka nagbigay “kokotongan” ka sa ulo ng mga siga sa kanto. only in the philippines.

  20. JohnLloy says:

    gusto ko ngang batukan yung lider ng PISTON na against dito. kanina sa Umagang kay ganda saying na madedetect daw kahit saan dahil sa satellite.. amp..

  21. JohnLloy says:

    350 pesos for 10 years sos baka pati yan gawan ng issue ano baahhh

  22. petken says:

    Sa IDs namin yan nakalagay for borrowing books entering school buildings lumalabas yung mga infos namin pagnascan. I think it’s a good move on the part of LTO para wala ng mga kotong cops.

  23. Finally, the new Passport is coming. Now time to get a Passport :p (I’m waiting for the RFID Passport all these years.)

    Back on topic.. I think the concern of the “anti” camp (for lack of a better name to the group) is that it is questionable as to who can access the data and what data are being “tracked” or recorded.

    For example, Person A and Person B had a road argument. They are both ordinary citizens. But we all know that there is a way to get things done (especially if you have the money). Person B got the data of Person A and B is now also aware of where A’s car is.

    There are no questions as to the technology itself or its benefits, hands-down, it is a great advantage, I for one agrees with that (and I am highly in-favor of other similar moves like the National ID system), but the anti camp do have legitimate concerns and questions.

    Now, I’m not talking about “because we’re in the Philippines and people can be bought”. It happens everywhere and it can happen to anyone. They are voicing out “privacy” concerns, not because they are hiding something, but because of the fact that – there are people with ill purposes. Can we, imperfect beings truly guard these “tracking” technologies? As have been proven time and again, every technology we ever developed were also used for evil.

    I’m not defending them, all I’m saying is that they do have legitimate concerns.

    ^_^

  24. Bon says:

    Wala nang makakaligtas sa odd even when this occurs. :)

    I wonder if this can substitute for the E-pass and for parking cards in shopping malls. You can be debited directly for parking charges if every single vehicle has an RFID tag. This is done in Singapore for example.

  25. We should support this move cause this can be a spring board for greater things like the national ID system which we so desperately need to finally control the peace in order issues the Philippines’ is plagued with.
    Justin L.
    Technorats.com

  26. ato says:

    timing na timing sa 2010 election para pondo ng mga bata ni gma dagdag gastos at bagong kita na naman ng mga fixer

  27. Jason says:

    I agree to a lot of what was just said! RFID is no question a good technology but it depends on what you want to achieve for using such technology. If this will be used to store data about the vehicle…. GREAT! If the owner’s informaton is also included in that RFID chip… THINK TWICE!

  28. Reel Advice says:

    I think some people are just being too negative about this move. I really like the idea and how much potential this RFID can bring.

    So what if we eradicate kotong? It’s a small step to change our society’s mindset that we can get away with almost anything just with money. It will make drivers drive more carefully and more disciplined because they know they won’t get away from the hassle.

  29. jangelo says:

    Kasama ba color coding sa apprehensions na aided ng RFID? ;) Wala nang takas mga mahilig mag commemorative plate. Raise your hand if you’re one of these folks. :)

  30. jakey says:

    Idea looks good but timing is doubtful. Nine months to go for this administration. Seems like an election/retirement fund raising campaign. With millions of vehicles sa Phils. At P400 per pop malakilaki ang initial revenue nila. E kung within the 9 months hangang tags lang maprovide nila. Yung ancillary equipment inuutayutay pa hanggang magkalimutan na. I wont be surprised if the next LTO admin will be asking for additional funds to complete this project.

  31. moomeng says:

    kotong is suhol so kotong means bribe or bribery ^^ ewan q kung tama hehe

  32. It’s just sad that the people who are speaking against this technology, doesn’t even know how the technology works. I hope they do their research first before they claim their so called conspiracy theories. I heard Ted Failon and Teddy Casino talking about this and they already made this assumptions about RFID when it’s been in existence in the country for years now.

  33. t-cell says:

    The DFA already begun accepting on-line appointments for the e-passport since Aug. 26 and quite a few already applied for it.

    What’s disappointing is that it still takes 2 weeks before you get your e-passport because earlier reports said it will only take 5-10 days. I think there were a few with “connections” that were able to get it in just a couple of days and even if they applied on the wrong on-line appointment form and therefore no formal appointment letters. For the rest, it’s 2 weeks.

    I’ll be getting mine by next week.

    P.S. The e-passport has a 64k IC chip to store your biometrics besides from the same technology on the machine-readable passport just in case the IC chip fails. So, it’s really the IC chip the makes it unique and more secure and not the RFID.

    http://foreign-nurse.lefora.com/2009/09/04/e-passport-has-finally-arrived-in-the-philippines/page1/

  34. nanayMo says:

    The word “Kotong” has crawled into our culture that signify corruption in those who are expected to enforce laws or regulations. And we are even active partners in this because we tolerate it to save us the hassle of facing the consequences of our actions.

    But I won’t volunteer an English equivalent to this. The word simply goes deeper than “bribery”. We are a poor nation, and the amount we dish out as “kotong” makes it more evil because we badly need that amount ourselves.

    This is my personal opinion and I claim no other else.

    We started out in this RFID, but look where it led us.

  35. taddah says:

    10meters lng po ung range nyan! so ndi yn pede s paniniktik! haha

  36. t-cell says:

    If the 64k chip and the RFID is one and the same then I stand corrected.

  37. redshift says:

    Look, they will place scanners almost everywhere you will go since one of the biggest pitches is that it can find stolen vehicles. Once your RFID-equipped car passes through a scanner, your car’s data and the scanner’s location are stored in a central database somewhere. Hence, someone in LTO can easily see where you’ve gone and even how fast you got there (by calculating distance between scanners and time elapsed). So one lackey in LTO can effectively come to your house one day and ask why you went to this place and to this place.

    And knowing how lax IT security standards are in the government, would you want your personal travels to be known? The LTO chief hasnt even bothered to explain the security and encryption aspects (if there are any).

    Second, is that they claim that this will reduce paperwork. It might make registration easier with no more stencils and all, but if you’re buying a used car, the owner still has to show documents since not all of us will have a scanner handy.

    If the LTO is hell-bent to implement this, then do what all IT project managers do: run a pilot test first. Ideally, start with the city and provincial buses since they are supposedly under tight watch for their routes and how fast they are supposed to go. After the buses, then do the other public utility vehicles. After that, vehicles used by the government and then finally all private vehicles.

    If the LTO was a trustful agency, maybe…but with their own fake number plate operation in it…no way.

  38. redshift says:

    Oh, and one more thing…since the RFID tag dosent turn off, anybody with a scanner walking down the street can scan your car and potentially get details from it…so if it contains the same data as your OR/CR, then they can get your name and address.

  39. Dave says:

    If you want to know more about RFID, check out Katherine Albrecht’s work.

    http://www.spychips.com/

  40. Kathleen says:

    nah! this is just another money making (corruption) for LTO from US drivers…

    No use here in Phils

  41. Kathleen says:

    yeah! yet another money making scheme from LTO. More money to corrupt.. RF ID is no use in Phils.. where pinoy are full of corrupts officials.

  42. t-cell says:

    Regarding RFIDs. It was created to be a replacement for the bar code. In essence, it is just a sophisticated bar code with range.

    A lot of people are against the RFID tags because it can easily be cloned and hacked unlike contactless smart chips that goes in e-passports.

    In the hands of the wrong people, they can clone your RFID tags and then implant it to be used for something else. Sa Pinas pa !!

    Besides, P400 for a glorified bar code with RF is expensive. Kung mura lang, baka puede pa.

    It has many flaws, so can’t blame people. It’s unfair to say people have not done their research or just do not understand the technolgy. For all we know, they have done more research on RFID tags, w/c is why they are against it because they discovered it’s flaws

    Contactless smart (microchip) cards that goes to e-passports are a diff. thing. They are not the same as the simple RFID tags. In fact, the old machine-readable zone on old passports are more secure than the US’ passport card that contains RFID only. This is the reason why US’ passport cards are only good for domestic use and a handful of countries only and not accepted for International travel. For Int’l travel they need to apply and use their e-passport containing the contactless microchip. The contactless chips that goes to modern e-passports are more secure and sophisticated than MR zones of old passports, so we can just see that RFIDs are on the lower totem pole among the three.

    1)http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/02/cloning_rfid_pa_1.html
    2)http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/02/video-hacker-war-drives-san-francisco-cloning-rfid-passports/
    3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_passport
    4)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport_card

  43. tonio says:

    its not just a scheme~
    its an evil scheme if u know wat i mean~
    simply invading privacy…
    haaaaay~
    the world will nearly end~

  44. lolipown says:

    I simply have to laugh at the FUD most people are spreading around here…. Has anyone actually seen the technical specs that the LTO is looking to implement?

    Tongue in cheek… your ATM/Credit card uses an RFID to store info. Does that make it safe/unsafe?

  45. Pweng says:

    Does it mean that all vehicles must have rfid tags? I guess some people want to drive unidentified. I hope the rfid tags are not removable once attached in vehicles. But, I still don’t get the point. Have the proponents conducted an intensive study and analysis? Have they conducted a period of testing if it is really essential to the community? It is a waste of time and money launching the infomercial and just be criticized later. Is it really a big deal?

  46. Ton says:

    Did they say how this will help ease traffic? I’d think that’s a bigger problem than carnapping.

  47. dennis says:

    what RFID means anyway?

  48. chris says:

    i think yung kinakatakot ng ibang tao lalo na yung mga human rights activists at mga rebolusyunaryo (lol) ay madali silang makikita in cases na meron silang activities pero that’s on justice’s side siguro… astig itong LTO-IT prooject na ito para mabawasan ang pasaway na tsuper na may dala dala palaging G.I pipe ;))

  49. Kimpao says:

    @twitter – nope there’s no such thing or provision in the contract. It only stipulates modifications and enhancements concerning the Infrastructure that they have implemented.

    Funny thing, the info contained in the tags will be the same info that is indicated on the car’s CR and OR. So what’s the point of implementing this if LTO requires that you carry a copy of these docs in your car. It won’t ease traffic. Why? traffic here in our country is caused by undisciplined drivers and law enforcers. If you get to read LTO’s traffic rules and regulations, maayos but the question is, is it being implemented properly. Most of these violators are the law makers and implementors themselves. Classic example, one of the major contributors of traffic are those PUVs that indiscriminately load and unload passengers. Traffic enforcers should do there jobs efficiently, dapat hulihin nila. Yun mga pasahero na nasa gitna ng kalsada kung mag-abang, dapat disiplinahin din.

    Will it help curb pollution. Big, NO. LTO already implemented a “no emission test, no registration” policy. So how can they, smoke belchers, still be registered? Thru “none appearance” right? So who permits these non-appearance schemes, LTO din diba?

    Will it deter car-napping. Don’t think so. Weird but it was recently in the news that they recently discovered a syndicate involving several LTO employees and officials illegally manufacturing authentic license plates with authentic LTO documents inside the Main LTO compound.

    So how can this RFID deter all these issues?

    Am not against RFIDs but this is not the right solution for the issues they have been pointing out.

  50. yellowsalman says:

    after watching unang hirit today, it just made me more suspicious that this is just a way for LTO and stradcom to get money from motorists. imagine, the provider for the RFID chips did not undergo a bidding process. stradcom is chosen as the provider on the basis that that they won a bidding for providing IT services to the LTO in the late 90s. i think that since this project is quite huge, 350 * millions of vehicles, the selection of the technology provider should have been done in a more stringent manner. it might be possible that if this underwent a bidding assuming that there is no corruption involved, a smaller installation fee than 350 pesos might be charged to motorists. also the fact that it came suddenly as a surprise, with all the big transport groups not having taken part in their said public consultations, really reinforces my suspicion that corruption is involved.

  51. jill says:

    The negative response to this RFID thing is just a clear indication that as a nation, we have effectively lost our trust to the system. It doesn’t take a genius to see all the corruption in our midst.

    How many projects have the government shoved down our jugulars? “Oh,you need this, this is good for you and the country. If we implement this, blah-blah-blah”. The usual lines, and so on. Sen. Miriam Santiago has a good word for them: PACHYDERM. Hides so thick that even public scrutiny is ineffective.

    Brooms, noddles, lampposts, even books – are suddenly income-generating projects.

    And now this RFID. Taddahh!! Good for us? Bless us!!

  52. jill says:

    ..and oh, there is a cute ad in the PDI today, page 8.

  53. Cadizwhales says:

    I think it is useful device to implement.kaso marami ang humarang nito katulad ng napanood ko kanina sa umagang kay ganda.for me it is better to implement the RFID to detect palsified car’s license.

    http://pinoyblognet.blogspot.com

  54. cadnacam says:

    if im a carnapper and i have a common colored pajero with a legal plate and RFID, tapos gusto kong mag carnap ng pajero. syempre mas madali sakin kasi ililipat ko yung plate ko and yung RFID ko sa nacarnap ko na pajero and waaalaaah… lusot na ako… diba mas madaling mag carnap???

  55. cadnacam says:

    transactions in LTO office will be fast if theres no monkey inside the offices… kaya nga na nag interconnect na sila e para mas bumilis…

  56. cadnacam says:

    kung merong mag kokotong kahit na ano pa po ang ilagay na RFID dyan e magkokotong pa rin… halimbawa: ( para sa di marunong mag intendi) LTO officer ako, may nahuli ako, hindi nag seatbelt. gusto ko syang kotongan, syempre, hahanapan ko ng maraming violation para mag lagay nalang… same pa rin yun!!!

  57. Fred says:

    @lolipown,

    Since when does the local ATM cards and locally issued credit cards used RFID? I think before you un-constructively criticize other people’s comments here you should do your research first.

    I’ll give you a hint on what technology goes into your locally issued ATMs and CC. Go to the back of your cards and look for the black stripe. Also try to know why credit cards purposely have a 3 yr expiry. Other credit cards like those from BPI uses smart chips as well for added security.

    Last time I checked, ATMs still need to be inserted to ATM machines and you still have to input your PIN numbers and credit cards still need to be swiped on POS machines and are not read with RF readers within 10 meters. You also actually need to get hold or steal the physical card to be able to clone it. Lost ATM and CC are also to be reported so that it can be closed and can’t be used by anyone.

    I am not totally against RFID either but the price of P350 is expensive and I have doubts it will last 10 years. And the timing? Suspicious. Bring the price down a little bit and implement it after the elections and do more studies if it will rally help on the issues they are saying, then people would have been more receptive and less suspicious.

    If they do more studies and find out that it will really help then I am all for it but I have doubts that it will really help on he issues they want it for.

  58. manong says:

    “yeah! yet another money making scheme from LTO. More money to corrupt.. RF ID is no use in Phils.. where pinoy are full of corrupts officials.”

    i believe not only the officials are corrupt but most of us in the society as well (in a MILD way, though).. hindi lang gobyerno natin ang may problema ksi may pamilya at kamag-anak/kaibigan din sila..

    religion was invented for a reason.. that is, for those who could go above the law

  59. jdGONEMAD says:

    Saan ba installed ang RFID? sa vehicle or sa driver’s license?

    ok, let’s say installed na ung RFID sa vehicle. This vehicle had a traffic violation. who’s going to get penalized? the driver or the vehicle owner?

  60. jamesb says:

    i’m currently leading an IT project exactly the same as this but with the Mexican Gov’t. There are still plenty of loopholes with the current RFID technology in terms of data security. But the technology is fast catching up. In fact, we are delaying the release until December because we are waiting for the next gen of RFID writers and tags that have more capability (better security i.e. with BlockPermalock capability and bigger memory). Only the VIN is stored in the tag as of the moment but the gov’t at some point will add more data into the tag and that is where data security will be of most important because who knows what personal info the gov’t will store in the tag later on.

  61. jamesb says:

    350 pesos is too much though imho because the tags we are using for the mexican gov’t (and these tags have huge memory) are only $2 a piece. In fact, our test tags (which have also descent memory, more than what we need) are only 0.75 cents a piece. I think, LTO is trying to profit a lot from this..more than just trying to recover the cost. But overall though I’m glad that LTO has embraced RFID to inventory and track vehicles because the long term benefit is tremendous.

  62. lolipown says:

    @Fred
    I take it you don’t know what tongue in cheek means?

  63. Beryto says:

    The problem is not with the RFID implementation but the way the LTO or any government agencies in the Philippines work right now. It does sound cool and high tech and very exciting to find RFIDs working in the Philippines but still… Philippine government agencies are corrupt. Unless they find a proper way to handle the traffic violations properly and also stop corruption then this will not work. (I dont think I have heard the LTO or any traffic agency have any ISO certification yet.. have you?) In EDSA buses have their own lanes but still they go out of their lanes even their barricaded lanes are no match… MMDA personnel does not even see to it that the buses follow those lanes. Most traffic police and other traffic enforcement people still take money as bribes. How the heck will this RFID work then.. same thing as they do right now… they ask for your license then threaten you for bribes.. now what they are going to do? …still the same.. Scan your vehicle then threaten you with the data. Unless this stops then this RFID will not work. I think the best way still is to incorporate traffic cameras in different locations. Have them all centralized. Aside from that.. there were some buses that already had these RFIDs installed for some time now… Have you seen any improvement? It did not work!!! Jeepneys.. when were they able to stop jeepneys from picking up passengers in the middle of the street.. jeepneys making terminals on different places.. Same thing.. these people bribe people or are being owned by people who are in position… One thing is for certain.. the only way to solve this problem is to stop these corrupt men and centralize everything.. they’re stupid showing those hand held rfid readers.. imagine the power they would have handing those readers to those corrupt traffic enforcers.. hahaha. Its all about the money for them.Its a gloomy day for the Filipino people.. we are being slapped so many times in the face and still we give the other cheek.

  64. Beryto says:

    And also another problem with the LTO is their system. There were still times that their system is down! Why not focus on your obsolete technologies first before focusing on other high tech stuff that most likely will not work since your system is still… UGLY! It will not speed up your system and processes… you need to update your system for that!

  65. Fred says:

    @lolipown,

    I take it that you obviously don’t know that people are taking this issue as a serious matter. I also take it that you have nothing to contribute constructively and do not even know what you are saying but only commenting just for the sake of it.

    If you have nothing intelligent to say nor nothing to contribute to the discussion regardless if you are pro or con, I suggest that you not post a comment at all.

    Tongue in cheek….

  66. lolipown says:

    @Fred..
    You’re doing it wrong man, :D You hit the logic, not the person. Debating skills much?

    The point is, as you seem to have missed, is that everyone’s putting pure speculations on the table. Has the LTO released the full specs? Has the anti-RFID sides considered the merits of the device? Do we, as a democratic *cringe* country have a choice in choosing to opt into it or not? What information will be stored in the chips? Who will have access to the chips? How will this coincide with the abysmal system that’s currently in play?

    I’m pretty sure the discussions pretty lively but without solid facts it’s still just that.. speculation.

    Oh, and metaphors are only for people who know how to use them :D

  67. Fred says:

    @lolipown,

    “You hit the logic, not the person. Debating skills much?”

    Right, make sure you take your own advice. You do not say comments such as “I simply have to laugh at the FUD most people are spreading around here” and then say “hit the logic and not the person.”

    The technical aspects is not even the whole point. You my friend are the one that is missing the point.

    The legit privacy issues is just one of the many concerns. Other concerns are that it is way over-priced and suspiciously being rushed and very close to the elections. Remember the fertilizer scam? Other legit concerns were also noted by intelligent and insightful people.

    And you are still not contributing anything.
    if you think the questions you’ve asked above contributes anything – you are wrong.

    If you want to contribute anything sensible, give your side and do it civilly and not mock the concerns of other people by saying “you are laughing on the fears, uncertainties and doubts being spread by commentators here”

    You don’t even have the guts to say your side point blank and then reason out and articulate why you are pro or con. You just mock the other side.

    Look at the high quality of comments here from both pros and cons and look at your comments.

    Without solid facts? Have you even checked the diff. links people already linked here and have you digested the diff. comments here?

    What about justifying your side? From all your talk you really haven’t justified your side haven’t you?

    You just keep posting rhetorical questions.

    Anyway, this my last reply to you. You obviously haven’t even scratched the surface of the issue but yet mock the legit concerns of other people.

  68. moomeng says:

    d ka naman galit nyan fred?

  69. Fred says:

    @moomeng,

    Medyo.

    Pasensya na sa lahat ha pero nakakainis lng kasi yung mga panay lng criticize sa legit concerns ng ibang tao pero hindi naman rin nila ma-articulate yung side nila.

    Tignan mo nman exchange of ideas and concerns ng pro and cons. And gaganda di ba? Kaso yung iba, panay puna lng hindi nman nila masabi bakit kailangan i-implement na by Oct.

  70. lolipown says:

    @Fred
    sure bub.. just keeping feeding :D

  71. jdsalinger says:

    I agree with JC John Sese Cuneta, that privacy is not the same as “hiding something”. Saying so is idiotic. Now, the circumstances surrounding the implementation of this technology is dubious. Laughing at the FUD being spread here? Put your tongue where it belongs, not in your cheek. But honestly, we don’t care where it is.

    A few points:

    1. expensive for a lot of people
    2. privacy issues
    3. is this even secure? there are plenty of ways to hack RFID, almost all of them easy

    I don’t trust RFID as a technology, not in this case.

  72. Glenn says:

    Kotong = Extortion Bribe

    It’s money extorted from you so it can serve as a bribe.

    Not the real english term, but the closest definition.

  73. barnie says:

    Sana lahat ng tumututol ay macarnap ang sasakyan para magtanda kayo. Mga human rights lawyers, NPA at kriminal ang hindi pabor dito. Naunahan pa natin ang America sa paggamit ng teknoliya nito.
    I’m working here in Santa Clara California
    (Silicon Valley) as a researcher for R & D Company.

    Barnie of L.A.

  74. jill says:

    So it can guarantee against carnapping? Tell that to the you-know-who. Nothing can prevent a car from being stolen and the RFID is not a deterrent, either.

    Full stop.

  75. nanayMo says:

    @barnie of L.A.:

    “Naunahan pa natin ang America sa paggamit ng teknolohiya nito”.

    Bakit nga kaya? Similar reasons why some of us here are opposed to it, perhaps?

  76. flo says:

    If the primary intent of the RFID is to curb illegal or colorum PUVs then LTO should not require private vehicles to buy this or at the least initially do a pilot project before applying on a wide scale. Also the ambiguity of implementation of this project is very suspicious and should really be dissected by the public and motorists who again will bear the burden of governments habitual, whimsical and wreckless spending.

  77. Jhay says:

    why is everyone complaining? why, coz its P350.00? if i myself i would complain if it is in a per year basis, BUT what i heard from rumors, that P350.00 for an RFID tag would be valid up to 10 years, except if it scartched or damage that is. and there will be a need for renewal. wel for me RFID is good, and be better if implemented

  78. Apolinario Mabini says:

    Dude, think of identity theft, correct me if i’m wrong, but i think we still dont have law pertaining to this, I think, before we CONTRIBUTE our information in a DATABASE, there should be a law protecting it. Being a victim of identity theft is worse than being a victim of car theft. It’s not that you want to hide, but you need protection. For me a LAW must be the priority, before any advance technology. Paki-untog lang ng mga ulo ng mga legislators natin,Peace bro!!!

  79. Fred says:

    To be fair, most of the politicians are against this, as is majority of the public.

    Dapat yung i-intog ang mga ulo eh yung mga so-called “techie” people (not all syempre) na hindi gumagamit ng common sense nila. Majority kasi nang nababasa ko na pro dito eh yung mga so-called techie/experts daw kuno. This is not like buying the latest gadgets on the market w/o thinking if you actually need it or not or if you actually use the features that made it expensive and then selling it within 1-3 months or so afterwards like some of you do.

    Another salient point na hindi pa na take up sa discussions dito and other blogs eh how convenient it was that as soon as former NEDA Sec. Ralph Recto resigned last August they immediately proceeded with this. Recto is claiming of course it needed to be scrutinized and approved by NEDA first. Di pa ba obvious na minamadali? Bakit kaya? Another salient point to prove the former – LTO or Stadcom hasn’t even notified NTC nor applied to register the supposedly RFID devices. NTC is threatening LTO and stradcom that they will confiscate any RFID reader devices since they did not register to NTC.
    They plan to implement it this Oct. tapos not registered yung RFID scanners/readers nila?

    Inamin din ng LTO na wala sila objective studies to prove that it is indeed beneficial.

    Do the studies first, do more public consultations, go through all the proper channels and procedures, apply for NTC registration for their scanners/readers, explain exactly how they come out with the P350 price and do PROPER public education. And sagutin muna nila accounting ng Road User’s tax.

    All in all, tamang-tama after elections na siguro yan or even much later.

    What’s the rush ?? Now, who’s the one who is hiding something.

  80. IC DeaDPiPoL says:

    IMO this should be implemented ASAP. For those clamoring about “Privacy Issues” then that wouldn’t be a problem since they have the option of not registering & resort to public transportation with this they can still stay anonymous XD.

  81. pidoy says:

    Moving into the new world order….

    privacy means nothings…

    beware…

  82. crashd21 says:

    for me its just a waste of money…cctv cameras in our all major roads would be more helpful…this rfid would only worsen the illegal and not moral activity of “kotong cops”…just an opinion…

  83. batu says:

    implementation na lang ng disiplina at batas…ska dagdag “delihensya” lng talaga ang objective nyan … meron ng plate number dba? saka mabibigyan ba ang lahat ng enforcer ng RFID reader? dami nun hah…simpleng chip lng yan parang sim card lang…P350.00 na…? Yung mga enforcer nyo ang dapat lagyan ng RFID dami kasing fake na nanghuhuli..LOL….

  84. batu says:

    Naiisip mo ba ito…kya pinagpipilitan yan? ..compute mo nga 5 million vehicles X P350.00 dami dba? Big Time yan LOL hehehe P1,750,000,000.00 tpos clean sila? wala daw pollution imbeded sa program ..LOL…nakakapaglaway sa dami ng zeros…for the sake of a cleaner roads daw..LOL…

  85. moomeng says:

    tanong lang ano bang nakasulat sa db ng rfid buong identy ba? parang biodata?

  86. mac says:

    ang tanong eh pag nagkaron na ba nyan, mawawala or mababawasan ba ang traffic sa metro manila? or baka naman isang pag-sasayang lang ito ng pera ng taumbayan gaya ng concrete dividers and U-turn slot ng MMDA.. sana pag isipan muna nilang mabuti, wag yong may naisip lang silang bago para pagkaperahan nila ang tao go naman agad…

  87. pEDo says:

    dropping by and sharing my piece of blog :)

  88. Jes says:

    ang istorya sa likod ng R.F.I.D. scam

    noong 2007, ang kontrata ng STRADCOM sa computerization ng LTO ay nagtapos na. Subalit dahil nakasaad sa kontrata na “HAWAK NILA SA LEEG” ang LTO, dahil sa pagtatapos ng kanilang kontrata ay dadalhin nila ang mga computer hardware at software, at ang ititira ay ang DATA lamang, nanatili ang STRADCOM sa LTO. Patuloy sa paninigil ng COMPUTER FEE kahit na ang DATA ng bawat sasakyan ay naka-encode na at wala ng dapat pang i-build up o i-data entry. Patuloy ang pagkulekta ng STRADCOM ng bayad, dahil walang kumukwestiyon, sa ilalim ng ilong ng mga motorista.

    Sa kabila nito, ang pamunuan ng DOTC at ng LTO ay humingi ng mas malaking “PARTE”, ibig sabihin, patong, lagay, kickback, etc, dahil nga naman, tubong lugaw na ang STRADCOM dahil dapat tanggal na nga sila. Syempre pa, medyo nagpakipot ang pamunuan ng STRADCOM at nagmungkahi na magdagdag na lang ng mga singilin sa motorista dahil anila, mga bobo naman at hindi aangal. Kung may aangal man, kokonti lang dahil gaano na lang ba ang sisingilin eh minsanan lang naman ang bayaran isang taon. At anila, may pera ang mga motorista dahil naka-sasakyan nga. Dito na ipinatawag ng STRADCOM ang kanilang mga “money making” thinktank upang umisip ng mga paraan kung paano pa makaka-kolekta ng dagdag kita upang lalo pa silang magkamal ng salapi.

    unang pinalusot ay ang tinatawag na INTER-CONNECTION FEE daw. ito ay karagdagang P70.00 pesos kapag ikaw ay nagpa-smoke belching test. Napansin ba ninyo, bukod sa P350.00, eh may naka staple pang resibo na P70.00? Me narinig ba kayong angal? me umapila ba? wala di ba. e ano nga ba yung P70.00 peso eh naka Honda CITY ka naman. chicken feed!!!

    YUN ANG BASIS NG STRADCOM, walang aangal dahil barya lang ang sinisingil nila. Naunawaan nyo ba kung ano yung inter-connection fee? Malay mo nga naman diba, nadale na kayo dun pero okay lang kayo kasi nga P70.00 lang.

    Teka, 8 million registered vehicle X 70.00 = 560 million pesos na walang kahirap hirap. KADA TAON HA. Malaki din pala nadudugas namin sa inyo. Aangal na ba kayo?

    Pero dahil mga buwaya nga, talagang walang kabusugan. Kaya pinulong ulit ng mga hunghang ang mga evil brains para utusan na, “Pigain na natin ng husto ang mga bobong motorista, bayad naman ng bayad eh”. At dito na ipinanganak ang unang plano na “Car info sticker” kung saan didikitan ng sticker ang mga sasakyan, nakalagay dito ang mga detalye na makikita din naman sa “Certificate of Registration” o “CR”, at sisingilin nila ng P300.00 yung sticker. Di syempre sangkatutak na angal ang inabot nila. Napigilan ito, hindi napatupad. Bulilyaso! eh kasi nga walang bahid High Tech. Mantakin mo nga naman na sticker lang tapos ang impormasyon eh nasa CR na din, hindi umubra. Ipa-photocopy (reduced) na lang yung CR at idikit sa windshield, sabi ng mga pilosopo kaya na-abort yung evil plan number 1.

    Pero hindi agad susuko ang evil brains ng STRADCOM, kailangang magmadali dahil dapat magkapera at ma-implement ng October. Na browse sa internet ng mga IT gurus ang tungkol sa RFID, at iminungkahi agad kahit na hindi pang vehicle talaga. Napagkasunduang, pwede, at inaprubahan agad. Ang siste, ang lalamanin lang ding impormasyon nito ay kung ano ang nakalagay sa CR, pero, may bahid high tech na, kasi R.F.I.D. na. Naintindihan nyo ba ibig sabihin ng RFID? Basahin nyo na lang sa last part.

    tatlong klase ang pwedeng gamit ng RFID:
    1. sa simpleng paliwanag, parang tag lang ito, barcode or product code. na ang corresponding data or information ay mare-retrieve mo sa main computer gamit ang isang reader or scanner.
    2. o kung ito ay may microchip, pwedeng mag store ng data dito at marere-trieve din ang data gamit ang isang reader.
    3. at ang pinaka delikado sa lahat, na maaring gamitin laban sa mga motorista, PWEDE KANG I-TRACK ng ahensiya. RFID ang gamit sa mga producto sa mga dept stores na medyo mahal ang item at RFID din ang gamit sa mga cargo ng freight services.

    pero may pakinabang ba talaga tayo sa RFID kung ito ay gagamitin sa mga sasakyan? WALA. ang tunay na gamit ng RFID ay para sa PRODUCT TAGGING, INVENTORY, AT TRACKING. Sa mga producto para ma-track mo kung nasaan na yung location dahil kada daan nito sa isang area, nababasa ng reader ang RFID at alam na dumaan na ito. Maaaring naglalaman din ito ng info kung sino ang manufacturer, kung ano ang laman, timbang at kung saan ang destinasyon, dahil nakalagay na ito sa RFID o sa main database.

    Alam ninyo, may malaking blunder ang kompanya namin dito eh, ang STRADCOM, dahil nag-implement kami ng information via TEXT lang kung saan ite-text nyo lang ang plate number, makukuha na information ng isang vehicle. Eh, imomodify lang namin yung info na binibigay ng TEXT project namin, at bigyan exclusivity sa mga enforcers lang ng LTO, nagawa na agad ang gustong gawin ng RFID System.

    Di ko na nga lang masikmura ang kagarapalan ng mga amo namin na sobrang magpayaman samantalang kami ang tumatrabaho eh nangungupahan pa din kami ng bahay. Anak ng toklang, ibuking ko na lang di ba.

    Eto itanong ninyo sa STRADCOM para mabuliyaso sila.

    Bakit kelangan ng i-implement ngayong October?
    1-kasi pinipiga sila ng isang mataas na opisyal ng LTO na tatakbo sa darating na halalan.
    2-Kasi kung mapalusot nila ng October, tahimik ang november at December, pag dating ng January parang may basbas na dahil nga nasimulan na ng October. at dapat mag start na ngayong October, kasi pag sa January mag start, titirahin ng mga pulitiko, at baka tamaan pa ng ban.

    Pag naka RFID ba, di na kelangan magpa stencil at magpa smoke belching pag magpapa rehistro?
    Kelangan pa din. Ano yung sinasabi nilang mapapabilis na rehistro? For your info walang mase-save na time sa pagpapa-rehistro ninyo. same procedure.

    ANG KATOTOHANAN:

    HINDI MAPAPABILIS ANG TRAPIKO GAMIT ANG RFID (ipadetalye ninyo sa STRADCOM ito)

    HINDI BIBILIS ANG REGISTRATION PROCESS NG IYONG SASAKYAN GAMIT ANG RFID (eto rin)

    HINDI MAPIPIGIL NG RFID ANG MGA SMOKE BELCHERS (eto pa)

    PWEDE KANG MA-TRACK KUNG NASAAN KA GAMIT ANG RFID SA IYONG SASAKYAN.

    HINDI MAWAWALA ANG MGA KOLORUM GAMIT ANG R.F.I.D.

    PWEDENG GAMITIN NG MGA KOTONG LTO ENFORCERS ANG R.F.I.D. (sasabihin lang ng LTO officer na sabi ng RFID hot car gamit mo)

    ang bottom line. WALANG PAKINABANG ANG CAR OWNER SA RFID, O MAGING ANG LTO. SIMPLE LANG ANG PURPOSE NITO: ISANG MONEY MAKING SCHEME ANG R.F.I.D DAHIL GENERALLY, NA SURMISE NAMIN NA ANG MGA OWNER NG VEHICLE AY WALANG PAKIALAM SA KANILANG BINABAYARAN DAHIL MAY PERA SILA, AT HANDANG MAGBAYAD KAHIT ANONG SABIHIN NAMIN BASTA HINDI NILA NAIINTINDIHAN TULAD NG R.F.I.D.

    HANAPAN NINYO ANG STRADCOM NG PROJECT STUDY, COMMUNICATION DOCUMENTS, SYSTEMS STUDY, SYSTEM DOCUMENTATION, IMPLEMENTATION PLANS, APPROVAL NG NATIONAL COMPUTER CENTER, AT MAGING KRITIKAL KAYO SA DATES DAHIL SINISUMULAN [A LANG NILANG GAWIN ANG MGA ITO.

    AT ILALABAN NILA ITO NG DIKDIKAN, MAGHABOL NA KAYO SA KORTE IKA NGA NILA. NAGSIMULA NA SILA NG COMMERCIAL SA TV DAHIL SA TINDI NG OPPOSITION DITO. KAILANGAN NILANG ILUTANG ANG STRADCOM. BAKIT SUMUGAL ANG STRADCOM AT INEXPOSE ANG KANILANG TAHIMIK NA OPERATION EH KUMIKITA NA NGA SILA NG WALANG INGAY? DAHIL SA 2.8 BILLION NA KIKITAIN SA PROYEKTO SA LOOB LANG NG ISANG TAON AT DAHIL SA PRESSURE SA TAAS NA I-IMPLEMENT NA ITO, PARA MAKUHA NA ANG PATONG.

    Sabi nga ng ABS-CBN, AKO ANG SIMULA. Makialam tayo. Pigilin natin ang pagpapatupad nito. I-forward sa lahat ng kaibigan niyong may saksakyan at sana ay makarating sa inyong mga kongresista, sa mga senador, sa mga taga DOTC, taga LTO, at sa malacañang.

  89. doods says:

    this RFID is crap, walang bibilis na sistema dito lalo na sa registration, eh kukuhaan ka parin ng emmision test, wait kaparin ng LTO staff to check your vehicle if it is on good running condition, and you will still have to wait for a long time for your # to be called for the issuance, payment etc. Ang dami kaya lagi tao sa LTO duh pano mapapabilis ang registration nyan.

    in the case of carnap vehicles, this RFID is obsolete, eh sabi nga nung isa dito ikakahuyin lang yang mga yan, tangalin ung sticker khit na kailangan tanggalin ung buong winshield para lang matangal un.

    technolog is good but if it falls in the wrong hands, you know what will happen. RFID is mainly use sa tracking of goods, animals. “TRACKING” maraming masamang tao na pwedeng gamitin ang technology ng RFID to put harm. Eh wala pa ngang RFID ganun na nangyayari, what pa kung meron. NOthing will change except that some high official will get lots of money.

  90. rommel pascual says:

    alam naman nyo na malapit na election, syempre gagawa ang gobyerno ng paraan para may magamit na budget para sa buwaya nilang kandidato.

  91. Arlo says:

    RFID is now implemented!!! classmate ko nakabitan na car niy yesterday, Jan. 4 (2010). mahal binayaran niya, around 1K-2K pesos.

    For singapore which uses the same technology, trustworthy ang government nila unlike here sa atin (which i believed nabanggit na rin dito).

    Another is pano kung emergency? So may speeding (fyi: not “over speeding”, redundant na yung meaning) violation ka kagad? then you lose very valuable time for waiting the ambulance during emergencies even you own a car.

    For all our questions, only one common answer is what we need to solutions the government will give us.That is TRUST.

    RFID IS NOW IN EFFECT!!! LET’S WISH FOR THE BEST

  92. pEDo says:

    The cost of RFID is only Php 350.00, not Php 1k-2k

  93. omar1234ph says:

    @pedo

    you are correct that the RFID costs only P350.00 — BY ITSELF.

    you forget the other fees like computer fees, insurance, emission testing, another computer fee (for the RFID), etc. take all that and add it up. anak ng tinapa, ako nakascooter lang pero umaabot ng 1,300+ ang binabayaran ko para renewal. this monday magpaparenew ako ng sasakyan. hay :(

  94. dragonrower says:

    the technology is good, the intention is good, the purpose is good. it all lies, as you mentioned, in the people who will maintain it. LTO still cannot win the hearts of the pinoy for not being corrupt individuals. so our paranoia surrounds it.

    my 18 yr old vehicle just got registered last january 8th 2010. the cost of PHP350.00 is not bad even if it would be the fee for one year. the funny thing is that they ran out of stickers for that week. so i was instructed to comeback in a few days. im a busy guy, so i guess i’ll go back a week after to make sure that LTO las pinas branch will have enough sticker on stock for people the entire month, or for the entire quarter of 2010.

    will update you guys when i actually see the chip

  95. Edgar says:

    It was in the news last night. The Supreme Court has finally decided on it – stop the implementation until further notice. The SC has also ordered a refund.

    I think this refund is the tricky part. Are they willing to part with the millions of pesos they have already collected? And what if by some form of intervention they would find out later that this is really good for us? Collect again?

    Only in these parts!

  96. flo says:

    The Supreme Court, although a bit late, has again shown its wisdom and fairplay by issuing a TRO pending impartial hearings. The LTO will probably hold the refund either until the TRO is somehow lifted or after the election which is six months away!

  97. richard says:

    why everyone is complaining about privacy?
    while most of social networking user (if not everyone) don’t bother sharing their “private information”.

  98. art says:

    palapit na ng palapit ang new world order.

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