Joel Disini sumagid iti diskusion maipapan iti presyo ti dot.PH

Abe Olandres Editor-in-chief March 30, 2007 · 3 min read

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Joel Disini, Presidente & CEO ti dot.PH, sumagid iti inaramidmi a diskusion ditoy idi Oktubre a naganan "Ngano pay laeng napateg ti dotPH?".

Itaonna a nupay ket maysa nga agsasaad, kalmanan, kinuna daytoy:

Ag-ayam,

Kanayon a nakitak met laeng daytoy a sarsarita, ken pinakaipatko nga agbalin a mangsagid kadagiti tattao. Agdama, adda ti panangilawlawko a masunod pay dagiti tattao a mangsarsaritayo iti daytoy a pakasaritaan.

Daytoy a panangilawlawko ket dagiti mabasa ditoy ket adu kadagiti Adsense/SEO a tattao? No koma, agtultuloyak nga agbalin a mangsagid kadagiti panunotko.

Iti unay, ti presyo ti DotPH iti $35/tawen ket ti retail price. Ti wholesale price ket adu pay a masna, ken makababa agingga iti $15/tawen, depende iti bilang dagiti registrasionmo. Daytoy a kasasaad ket adda manipud 2000, no koma, idi adu pay laeng dagiti ccTLD a nagbenta babaen ti $35 a level. Dagiti presyo ti Registrar ket makita ditoy:
http://www.domains.ph/PartnerApply.asp

Kasapaymo, dagiti diskonto ket mangrugi no adda ka laeng iti 12 a domain a maipatpatien.

Ngem, mas makapadur-as para kadagiti sika nga agtutubo, ken agtutubo a bumili iti bulbulong - tapno makakita dagiti adu a diskonto - wenno agtrabaho iti maysa kadagiti existing a Registrarmyo. Addami 150 a Registrars - praktikal laeng amin nga ISP iti Pilipinas ken Webhosting company ket Registrar. (Ngem no ay-ayamda a ibaga dagiti diskonto para sika - daytoy ket maysa pay a pakasaritaan).

No ti panggepmo ket agtutubo a makakita dagiti domain tapno maipatpatien kadagiti main website (tapno mapababaan ti Google rank), ket maitedmi a mangsarsarita iti maysa a presyo a masunod ti SEO community. No adda kadagiti sika nga agtutubo, kami ket nagtedan iti 18+ character domains idiay tawen - para sa libre. Daytoy a paraan ket makakita ka dagiti domain a kasapaymo, ken maipatpatien kadagiti main money site. Wenno makakita ka iti monetization babaen ti SEDO, DomainSponsor, wenno maysa a panangmonetisa a kumpanya. Addami met a nagtutubo iti option a mapababaan ti presyo para net.ph & org.ph - ngem ay-ayammi pay dagiti feedback.

Ngem no sika ket domainers ken agtutubo a bumili, agtutubo, ken bentaen kalpasanna, mas makakita ka iti mail-only domains. Daytoy laeng a nagkukua iti $5/tawen ken makapababaan iti full functionality (no bayadmo ti $35/tawen). Daytoy ket maitedka a magtutubo (no ay-ayam) ken agtutubo dagiti domain a masunod nga adda iti value iti kalpasan. Kalpasanna, bentaenmo kadagiti daytoy a domain.

Kanayon a makita mi iti ICANN conference idi Portugal, ken ni Tim Schumacher ti SEDO ket mangsagidko a ti average resale price para dagiti domain ket 20k. Daytoy ket maysa a napigsa a bilang. Natural laeng, dagiti ccTLD domains ket saan a nagbenta iti daytoy a level - ngem no adu pay dagiti Pilipino a kumpanya a makakita online, mas makakita ka ti aftermarket price para dagiti PH domain a mangrugi.

No adda sika a panunot, agtutubo nga agbalin a mangsagid kadagiti comments iti blogko idi jed.i.ph (saan daytoy a modera). Wenno no ay-ayam, makakita ka a tawagan/emailkami. (Dagiti contact details ket ditoy:

http://www.domains.ph/ContactUs.asp
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Daytoy a paraan, mas agtutubo kami nga agbalin a mangsagid kadagiti concernmo.

Isuratna pay daytoy iti ti kinaipapanan a blogna ditoy.

What is the retail price for dot.PH domain registration?

The retail price for dot.PH is $35 per year.

How much can you pay for wholesale registration?

The wholesale price is as low as $15 per year.

What is the minimum number of domains for bulk discounts?

Discounts begin with at least 12 domains.

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68 Comments

PH Domains · 14 years ago

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Web.com.ph · 15 years ago

DotPH domain registration at Web.com.ph cost P1,100 per year. Please go to http://www.web.com.ph/domain.php for details. We accept bank deposit, cash payment in the office and Paypal. Thank you for reading.

Robert P. · 15 years ago

I’ve registered a domain name with them (dot.ph) after I have registered mostly CON domains with other hosts and registrars.

They (dot.ph), hands down, are the slowest I have experienced. In all respects –

(1) The dot.ph is slooowwwww. Yes, everything-about-it slow.
(2) The reply to query is sloooowwwww, which is a token actually because it’s, in truth, non-existent.

If they (dot.ph) can’t fix their own websites (try visiting them all to see real meaning of slooowww), I can’t and will in fact not wait to see their webshosting performance.

Utterly disappointing.

Anyone experienced the speed at which they issue refunds? Slooowwww, perhaps? If they (Dot.ph) wants to charge a lot, which in fact they do, why can’t they show some performance?

Anyhow, I have seen people go around his “ph” problem by attaching something before and after their “ph” “-ph” before or after their domains. So for example, if your preferred domain name is “dotphsuckslow,” instead of “dotphsuckslow.ph”, people opt for either:

(1) “dotphsuckslow-ph.com”
(2) “dotphsuckslowsph.com”
(3) “phdotphsuckslow.com”

It does not look pretty above because dotph sucks, but imagine this:

(1) “love-ph.com”
(2) “loveph.com”
(3) “phlove.com”

Even lovelier than love.com.ph or love.ph, isn’t it. And way cheaper. And way faster – I’d give the first person a free Manchester United jersey if he/she can find in the next 12 hours a website in the same line of business slower than dot.ph. And its a dot.com – its like the (02) in Metro Manila landlines which means all the positive brands recalls you can have except the fact that pldt at the height of its monopoly why slooooww like dot.ph sloooowww.

This is aging tech-kuno company, stagnant and stinky, with no noteworthy innovation it seems whatsoever in the last ____ years. How many people believed believed their i.ph project? What was that? Look at their website. Even their CEO’s blog seems designed from crap.

I believe people should do this than pay well for a lousy service. What are dot.ph servers like, circa and pre-1999? And where exactly are they?

Goodness, what shameless tech providers.

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fcuk disini · 19 years ago

Too bad I only got to see these posts now.

Tarantado yan si Joel Disini. Don’t ever trust that scumbag.

For posterity, follow the thread here http://www.grabeh.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8193

Domains are $6-$10 already. WTF is .ph domain? made of gold?

We’ve been battling to break up the Disini monopoly for more than 10 years. Of course, the idiot will start lowering the price when competition happens. But since he thinks he is untouchable and act like PLDT. Oh well.

All you, kind folks, can do is just boycott the damn Disini corporation. It will make the world a better place.

Well, at least, until we break up the Disini monopoly. Think pldt.com.

JC John SESE Cuneta · 19 years ago

@joel

quoted
On a side note, Iâ€™m intrigued that there are domainers already anticipating DotAsia domains to come out. (It wonâ€™t be availalble to the public till early 2008). DotPH is one of the founding members of DotAsia, together with a few other ccTLDs. I think itâ€™ll be bigger than dotEU and the betting in Portugal (ICANN Lisbon) is that itâ€™ll probably hit 2M within a year of the landrush period. I think thatâ€™s pretty optimistic, but we shall see.

end-of-quote

Now that you mentioned it, I remember now that DotPH is one of the founders of DotAsia, how could I have forgotten that.

I agree, .ASIA will be bigger than .EU, and while we’re at it, maybe you can offer us bloggers something like the ‘sunrise’ registration for businesses with TM and R ?? I really like to get my domain names secured, but it seems TM/R will take longer than expected :/

And I don’t even know how to get advantage of the sunrise registration hehehe.. :p

Personally, I’m really into .ASIA instead of ccTLDs ;)

joel disini · 19 years ago

Great to see all these comments. I’ve tried to respond to most of the issues raised here:

http://jed.i.ph/blogs/jed/2007/04/08/dotph-prices-revisited/

On a side note, I’m intrigued that there are domainers already anticipating DotAsia domains to come out. (It won’t be availalble to the public till early 2008). DotPH is one of the founding members of DotAsia, together with a few other ccTLDs. I think it’ll be bigger than dotEU and the betting in Portugal (ICANN Lisbon) is that it’ll probably hit 2M within a year of the landrush period. I think that’s pretty optimistic, but we shall see.

JC John SESE Cuneta · 19 years ago

Hey guys… quoted:

Jeffrey Wong says:
April 7th, 2007 at 5:58 pm

Iâ€™d rather buy a .ASIA than .PH as well.

When .EU came out, several ccTLDs in Europe dropped their prices, some (.BE) even gave it away for free.

end-of-quote

Source: http://www.yugatech.com/blog/?p=1809

———–

So.. will .PH drop down its prices once .ASIA is available to the masses?

JC John SESE Cuneta · 19 years ago

Why invest in something that is “of the past” (protectionism and individualism) like .ph, .sg, .my to name a few, when you can invest in the future? I’d rather buy .ASIA when it comes out (very soon) than buy a .ph.

We’re already in the “ONE COMMUNITY” era, protectionism and individualism is OVER. ccTLDs are the past, regional TLDs are the future.

.ASIA is where I will invest my money.

Bryanboy · 19 years ago

I agree with the sentiments above. I’m not paying $35 bucks for a .ph domain. I’ve got over 700 .com/.net domains and i’m personally happy with godaddy.

$35 is just plain ol’ ridiculous. robbery at its finest.

Jeffrey Wong · 19 years ago

I read a post of JED years ago regarding the .dotPH marketed a .dotPhone. He said the price could have been lowered if local community did not protest about the plans.

In my opinion, i dont think he would lower the price. It was just an alibi.

My idea is make dotPh open to all, sell it without restriction to all nationalities. Please sell it around 8$ to 12$.

.CO.UK, .US, .IN are curretly sold below 10$. .CO.UK is sold without restrictions.

Chino Yray · 19 years ago

in the end, it’s one reason to get a .com instead of a .ph

gibo · 19 years ago

the question is, why can’t we get rid of him cctld administrator with that hilarious pricing scheme?

juantanamera · 19 years ago

What??? a crappy comment!!!.

He didn’t even answered why it costs $35/year. He’s just marketing his products

NOT EVERYONE IS AN ADSENSE/SEO PEOPLE

NOT EVERYONE IS A DOMAINER

NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BUY WHOLESALE (too expensive… again…)

Did this guy really cares about his country at all?

jash · 19 years ago

he’s promoting the wholesale price. wag daw tinge-tinge :D

Leandro · 19 years ago

so why is it expensive? I was lost with your flowery nincompoops sir, sorry.

JC John SESE Cuneta · 19 years ago

I agree, he did not answer the question.

For us non-business people, or for Small businesses, the $35/year is VERY EXPENSIVE (emphasizing). As much as we want to get a ccTLD like .ph (and variations), we decided not to. We sacrificed getting more attention on google.ph results (to name one) just to avoid that expensive price.

Though we can say ‘thank you’ for making it expensive, coz if it wasn’t and we bought our domain of choice using .ph, we wouldn’t have learned how to get our desired results – we will be relying on ccTLD like .ph.

Well, I guess for everyone, forget about .ph, get .ASIA which will be opening publicly this year. After all, today is the generation of a ONE ASIAN COMMUNITY – social and business aspects.

bingo · 19 years ago

his answer is lawyer-speak for “you’ve got not choice”

that’s what happens when you have monopoly power and are gouging your market

Chino Yray · 19 years ago

so why is it expensive again?

The post didn’t seem to answer that question.

Dusty · 19 years ago

Tsk Tsk … Ditto!

Jon · 19 years ago

Did i missed it?

I cant see the his answer to the title question “Why dotPH is still expensive?”

AhmedF · 19 years ago

WOW did he mis-quote the Sedo fellow.

Here is the ACTUAL quote:

“”The number of sales is growing really fast. So we are seeing a lot of the secondary market going into the long tail, a lot of small sales happening. So at SEDO, for example, to give you an example, we have an average price of about $2,000. And we have a median price of about $600. That means more than half of the names sell for less than 600. So there are just a couple of high-ticket sales, like vodka.com, which we sold a couple of months ago for 3 million. And those, of course, take the average price up.”

Average $2k, but median is $600.

Jonas · 19 years ago

So, I guess this means that the prices are still going to remain the same. :(

Eugene · 19 years ago

There’s still no reason why it’s expensive! Is DotPH paying fees to ICANN? Is running a ccTLD server system much more expensive than running a web hosting business? Domain names are practically an unlimited virtual real estate business with minimal maintenance costs that volume (because of affordable prices) ought to be enough to pay for the expenses.

Aside from pure corporate greed, I just don’t get the economics of selling .ph domains at $35/year.

jedi · 19 years ago

For someone to be able to get the $15 tag price, an initial investment of $18,000 is needed, thats for 1200 ph domains.

I guess i have to look for 1199 interested persons to join me to be able to get a discounted price :(

Dotph should be the first one to encourage local entreps to use ph domains but with the $35 price tag? nakupo ,,, buhay nga naman

Rickey · 19 years ago

What an asshat.

deuts · 19 years ago

A discount is not synonymous to cheap!

I’m just wondering how many sales did they already lose because of their expensive domain names. I for one would have also availed of a .ph domain if they sell at most the same as .com domain names.

Andrew · 19 years ago

Still doesn’t explain why they’re so friggin’ expensive. It’s funny how he says that “getting lots of websites” and “pointing them to your main website” will increase “Google Rank”. Mr. Disini, not everyone is interested in buying domain by the bulk nor able to pool enough people to by in bulk. You have to address the real issue. Your domains are too expensive. Why are they so? If you think about that maybe this discussion can get somewhere.

Ian · 19 years ago

[quote]This has been the case as far back as 2000, when very few ccTLDs were selling below the $35 level.[/quote]

But this is 2007. Hello…

[quote](T)he discounts begin once you have at least 12 domains to register.[/quote]

Seconding Christian DeVera: how about for those who just want a single (or less than 12 domains)? Not very consumer-friendly, that discount, unless DotPH really targets the domainers/speculators out there. Very ripe for abuse, too. I can almost see spammers buying DotPH domains by the bulk, boosting the Philippines’ status as one of the top spam sources. (Then again, lowering the bar would also do that, but still, a cheap domain is a cheap domain is a cheap domain.)

I, for one, would want to have a ccTLD domain — it would be a source of pride — but I’m a cheapskate, so…

Shari · 19 years ago

Well, thankyouverymuch for addressing the…issue — in Adsense/SEO people’s issue.

Thank you, Mr. Christian DeVera, for pointing out what’s wrong in his statement.

How about us people who also live in the Philippines and want hilariously expensive .ph domains but don’t care about those SEO, Adsense, money-making thingamajigs? *sighs*