Oslo has a big problem and PH should consider helping

“Oslo has big a problem and PH should consider helping” Naguluhan ako sa title ng post.

But isn’t that the point of using an incinerator, to generate electricity or does it not power itself?

Am I missing something here?

“Since its conception, the facility has been one of the sources of electricity in the city…”

“The only problem is the Philippines is one of the highest in terms of electricity cost and incineration is basically electricity. If power [cost] is so high, it becomes uneconomical”

Is Paje confused on how the facility works????

Proper waste disposal + disciplined society is the long term solution to our garbage problem. I know its easier said than to be done. I commonly see people throwing small trash like candy wrappers and upos ng yosi everywhere.

I don’t think that we should avail “state of the art” technology for that kaagad. I know our engineers and local inventors can build one. Kulang lang sa R&D budget.

for now, the very good idea is to transport our garbage given that Norway must provide their sea carriers to pick-up our garbage. but I don’t think they will prioritize our country because the Philippines is too far from them. if only the nearby Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Hongkong or Malaysia had the facility and faces the same dilemma. with this technology, I see a brighter Philippines because we had lots of waste here. hope we could have this or better than this in the future.

With Filipinos penchant of throwing things and recycling is the last thing in our mind, a system like this, no matter how expensive the machine is, will be beneficial for everybody.

No more floods, clean esteros and no more “smokey mountain” in the making.

My 2 cents worth:

We cannot afford to build a similar highly-efficient garbage collection system as what Oslo has. That probably will cost billions of pesos to build, operate and maintain. Unless the cost of this technology goes down, it’s just not feasible for our country.

I get what Mr. Paje was trying to say. Yes, the facility is supposed to generate electricity, but generally, what he’s trying to say is that for every P100 cost of power the plant uses to ‘burn’ garbage, it will only generate P50 worth of power. Hence, it becomes uneconomical (note, these figures are merely examples).

So do we transport the garbage? Possible. But the distance from PH to Oslo is 9,826.73kms…. and that’s the straight line distance. I’m estimating the nautical route to be around 15,000kms via the South Atlantic. It’s going to be very costly for us to ship our trash there given these distances.

I think ultimately, the best (and easiest) solution is for Oslo to bring their ships here, we load them up with our garbage, then we pay them a fraction of their (Oslo’s) cost. After all, they’re going to be making money out of our garbage, anyway, after it’s converted to power. Also, I’m pretty sure we have government budget allocation for garbage disposal… what I’m not sure about is if the allocation still exists, or if it’s already been pocketed.

pyrolisis is a relatively new tech from japan that turns almost anything into fuel, electricity and charcoal powder. a small machine, manufactured by korea, will cost around 10 million u.s. dollars and can convert about 20 tons of garbage everyday. the only electricity needed to run it is to power it up, afterwhich it becomes self-running. it also passes all emission tests from most european countries.

oh only if it is as easy as transporting garbage between Sim cities. I’ve always dreamed of incinerating facilities since I was a child playing Sim City :)

May advance nang technology ngayon sa incineration na hindi delikado ang usok sa environment, pero hindi matuloy tuloy dahil sa mga pulitikong ayaw makipag-cooperate, kung gusto daw matuloy, dapat kikita din daw sila dyan hehe.. you know what i mean..

pagawa tayo ng incinerator sa mga norweigan, tas bayaran natin ng basura! hehehe

But if what we incinerate we also convert into electricity then I am sure the expense will become lower. The power generated can be stored and used to incinerate again? I am sure we have enough trash for is to be self sufficient, Correct?

incineration electricity costs ba?

Read this article: Sweden, a recycling-happy land where a quarter of a million homes are powered by the incineration of waste, is facing a unique dilemma: The nation has run out of much-needed fuel.

http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/recycling/blogs/sweden-runs-out-of-garbage-forced-to-import-from-norway

We have an incinerator along coastal road unfortunately it’s now abandoned. I think it’s against the clean air act or something.
Asking help from the Norwegians is a great proposition but definitely someone will lobby against this.